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Delete. As it happens I have stayed in this hotel (August 2019). It's just a hotel, like many many others. I didn't notice anything to suggest that it needed an article.
Athel cb (
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09:39, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment: this is all looking very unsatisfactory. We're keeping all these articles because (1) GloriaJFM got blocked, and (2)
WP:MILL is an essay with no mandatory status. Neither of those are great reasons. What actually is the policy on typical run-of-the-mill chain hotels? Does each hotel get its own article? What standards of sources do we require to demonstrate notability? Would we really want articles on every one of the 800-odd Premier Inn hotels in the UK, for example? I'm not really sure of the encyclopedic value of this article, and its fellows.
Elemimele (
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13:43, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
We have
lots of articles about hotels and so there's no particular problem with them because
WP:MILL is not an accepted policy or guideline. If they are numerous, then that's not a problem either per
WP:NOTPAPER which is a policy. And we're not talking about Premier Inn here, we're talking about
Radisson Blu which is quite a high-end operation. This particular hotel was the first business hotel in
Riga which is a capital city. It is easy to find detailed studies of the hotel such as Enhancement of crisis management system in 'Radisson Blu Daugava' hotel. And, as we don't have a legitimate nomination here and nobody seems to have followed
WP:BEFORE this discussion should closed before more trolls turn up to waste our time.
Andrew🐉(
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21:09, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oh, no, sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I have no problem with WP having hotels, provided they're notable hotels, and I just want to know what makes a hotel notable. The not-paper argument is also valid: I don't care how many notable hotels we have. Being up-market doesn't automatically confer notability (in fact a budget chain could be notable for being budget). Nor does a hotel automatically inherit notability from its being in a capital city (most of which have large numbers of practical, rather dull, generic hotels). In this particular article, I like the comment that it's the first chain hotel in Latvia, and I like the culture section, but the history section reads like a set of publicity press-releases, and the references are much the same. This is a real risk in hotel articles: that they will sound like write-ups from a review site. Do we have any guidelines on hotel articles, and their notability?
Elemimele (
talk)
23:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Delete. As it happens I have stayed in this hotel (August 2019). It's just a hotel, like many many others. I didn't notice anything to suggest that it needed an article.
Athel cb (
talk)
09:39, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment: this is all looking very unsatisfactory. We're keeping all these articles because (1) GloriaJFM got blocked, and (2)
WP:MILL is an essay with no mandatory status. Neither of those are great reasons. What actually is the policy on typical run-of-the-mill chain hotels? Does each hotel get its own article? What standards of sources do we require to demonstrate notability? Would we really want articles on every one of the 800-odd Premier Inn hotels in the UK, for example? I'm not really sure of the encyclopedic value of this article, and its fellows.
Elemimele (
talk)
13:43, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
We have
lots of articles about hotels and so there's no particular problem with them because
WP:MILL is not an accepted policy or guideline. If they are numerous, then that's not a problem either per
WP:NOTPAPER which is a policy. And we're not talking about Premier Inn here, we're talking about
Radisson Blu which is quite a high-end operation. This particular hotel was the first business hotel in
Riga which is a capital city. It is easy to find detailed studies of the hotel such as Enhancement of crisis management system in 'Radisson Blu Daugava' hotel. And, as we don't have a legitimate nomination here and nobody seems to have followed
WP:BEFORE this discussion should closed before more trolls turn up to waste our time.
Andrew🐉(
talk)
21:09, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oh, no, sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I have no problem with WP having hotels, provided they're notable hotels, and I just want to know what makes a hotel notable. The not-paper argument is also valid: I don't care how many notable hotels we have. Being up-market doesn't automatically confer notability (in fact a budget chain could be notable for being budget). Nor does a hotel automatically inherit notability from its being in a capital city (most of which have large numbers of practical, rather dull, generic hotels). In this particular article, I like the comment that it's the first chain hotel in Latvia, and I like the culture section, but the history section reads like a set of publicity press-releases, and the references are much the same. This is a real risk in hotel articles: that they will sound like write-ups from a review site. Do we have any guidelines on hotel articles, and their notability?
Elemimele (
talk)
23:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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