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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 11:43, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Rachel Galloway
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Fails WP:BIO. 4 of the sources provided are primary. Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Coverage mainly comes up with an assistant coroner with the same name. LibStar ( talk) 00:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, and United Kingdom. Shellwood ( talk) 00:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Since she is considered notable enough to be included in UK Who's Who by its publisher
https://doi.org/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.U289873 Also she was described as a "High-flying Diplomat" in
the Jewish Chronicle under her maiden name Rachel Edis
Piecesofuk (
talk)
16:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Some coverage:
- https://meta.mk/en/interview-with-the-uks-ambassador-galloway-200-countries-agreed-that-coal-is-a-major-problem-for-global-warming/
- https://shqen.mia.mk/ambassador-galloway-at-cop26-countries-need-to-show-how-theyre-going-to-deliver-on-climate-change-so-far-failing-to-meet-commitments/
- https://bigorski.org.mk/en/reports/events/the-british-ambassador-mrs-rachel-galloway-visited-the-bigorski-monastery/
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https://uacs.edu.mk/home/british-ambassador-madam-rachel-galloway-at-the-opening-of-uacs-eighth-annual-reading-competition/
Piecesofuk (
talk)
18:12, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Who's Who UK is not a reliable source, per Wikipedia-wide consensus. See
2022 RfC.
Please stop suggesting otherwise, you've been told before.Pilaz ( talk) 09:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)- Please can you let me know when I was told before the 9th March 2022 when I posted the above comment that I can't use Who's Who. If you're unable to do so I hope you'll provide a correction here and on my Talk Page
User talk:Piecesofuk#Who's Who (UK) at your earliest convenience.
Piecesofuk (
talk)
12:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Striking my comment. I was making a reference to this discussion, and I was mistaken in the timelines. It appears you posted the comment above (9 March) before I made you aware of the RfC (11 March). Please accept my apologies. Best, Pilaz ( talk) 07:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Please stop claiming that Who's Who is not a reliable source for establishing notability. People are selected for WW on the basis of their notability; they would not be selected if they were not notable. The only reason the RfC (a very poor one not publicised in the correct places and certainly not on any way "Wikipedia-wide consensus") found that it was not reliable was because of its fact-checking, a completely different issue. In fact, please generally stop your implications that WW cannot be used as a source, as that is not what
WP:RSP says at all:
The source may still be used for uncontroversial self-descriptions...
-- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:59, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Please can you let me know when I was told before the 9th March 2022 when I posted the above comment that I can't use Who's Who. If you're unable to do so I hope you'll provide a correction here and on my Talk Page
User talk:Piecesofuk#Who's Who (UK) at your earliest convenience.
Piecesofuk (
talk)
12:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Who's Who UK is not a reliable source, per Wikipedia-wide consensus. See
2022 RfC.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 03:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Diplomats aren't inherently notable, and the sources provided above and in the article are either not independent (interviews in particular), do not provide significant coverage (the Jewish Chronicle), and are of unknown reliability. Who's Who (UK) has been considered generally unreliable ever since the 2022 RfC at RSN, and I'm pretty sure all UK ambassadors get an entry in the volume regardless. Pilaz ( talk) 09:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete the sourcing is not enough to show notability. We have decided not all ambassadors are notable, so a source that seeks to cover every ambassador, especially one that is held to be generally unreliable, cannot be used to demonstrate we need to keep this article. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 12:25, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I find no sources in Gnews or newspapers. Her name turns up, back as far as the 1870s, but zero coverage about her as a diplomat. North Macedonia wouldn't seem to be a notable diplomatic post either, one small country in southern Europe. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:55, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 11:43, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Rachel Galloway
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Fails WP:BIO. 4 of the sources provided are primary. Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Coverage mainly comes up with an assistant coroner with the same name. LibStar ( talk) 00:15, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, and United Kingdom. Shellwood ( talk) 00:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Since she is considered notable enough to be included in UK Who's Who by its publisher
https://doi.org/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.U289873 Also she was described as a "High-flying Diplomat" in
the Jewish Chronicle under her maiden name Rachel Edis
Piecesofuk (
talk)
16:51, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Some coverage:
- https://meta.mk/en/interview-with-the-uks-ambassador-galloway-200-countries-agreed-that-coal-is-a-major-problem-for-global-warming/
- https://shqen.mia.mk/ambassador-galloway-at-cop26-countries-need-to-show-how-theyre-going-to-deliver-on-climate-change-so-far-failing-to-meet-commitments/
- https://bigorski.org.mk/en/reports/events/the-british-ambassador-mrs-rachel-galloway-visited-the-bigorski-monastery/
-
https://uacs.edu.mk/home/british-ambassador-madam-rachel-galloway-at-the-opening-of-uacs-eighth-annual-reading-competition/
Piecesofuk (
talk)
18:12, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Who's Who UK is not a reliable source, per Wikipedia-wide consensus. See
2022 RfC.
Please stop suggesting otherwise, you've been told before.Pilaz ( talk) 09:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)- Please can you let me know when I was told before the 9th March 2022 when I posted the above comment that I can't use Who's Who. If you're unable to do so I hope you'll provide a correction here and on my Talk Page
User talk:Piecesofuk#Who's Who (UK) at your earliest convenience.
Piecesofuk (
talk)
12:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Striking my comment. I was making a reference to this discussion, and I was mistaken in the timelines. It appears you posted the comment above (9 March) before I made you aware of the RfC (11 March). Please accept my apologies. Best, Pilaz ( talk) 07:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Please stop claiming that Who's Who is not a reliable source for establishing notability. People are selected for WW on the basis of their notability; they would not be selected if they were not notable. The only reason the RfC (a very poor one not publicised in the correct places and certainly not on any way "Wikipedia-wide consensus") found that it was not reliable was because of its fact-checking, a completely different issue. In fact, please generally stop your implications that WW cannot be used as a source, as that is not what
WP:RSP says at all:
The source may still be used for uncontroversial self-descriptions...
-- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:59, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Please can you let me know when I was told before the 9th March 2022 when I posted the above comment that I can't use Who's Who. If you're unable to do so I hope you'll provide a correction here and on my Talk Page
User talk:Piecesofuk#Who's Who (UK) at your earliest convenience.
Piecesofuk (
talk)
12:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Who's Who UK is not a reliable source, per Wikipedia-wide consensus. See
2022 RfC.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 03:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Diplomats aren't inherently notable, and the sources provided above and in the article are either not independent (interviews in particular), do not provide significant coverage (the Jewish Chronicle), and are of unknown reliability. Who's Who (UK) has been considered generally unreliable ever since the 2022 RfC at RSN, and I'm pretty sure all UK ambassadors get an entry in the volume regardless. Pilaz ( talk) 09:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete the sourcing is not enough to show notability. We have decided not all ambassadors are notable, so a source that seeks to cover every ambassador, especially one that is held to be generally unreliable, cannot be used to demonstrate we need to keep this article. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 12:25, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I find no sources in Gnews or newspapers. Her name turns up, back as far as the 1870s, but zero coverage about her as a diplomat. North Macedonia wouldn't seem to be a notable diplomatic post either, one small country in southern Europe. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:55, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.