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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 17:22, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Putinism
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This was created today, as a fork of Russia under Vladimir Putin, an article which actually resided at Putinism itself until a move request in 2016. I don't think the concept of "Putinism" is sufficiently distinct from the general topic of Russia under Putin to merit its own article, and this should revert to being a redirect. — Amakuru ( talk) 15:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep First of all, the sources currently used on the page and others, such as
this,
this,
this,
this,
this,
[1],
this
this, tell that the "Putinism" does exist as a separate subject/terminology. One can also make Google searches. Secondly, please see
Russia_under_Vladimir_Putin#Putinism. "Putinism" is a section/sub-subject of page
Russia under Vladimir Putin. This is a legitimate sub-article. It would be wrong to say that "Russia_under_Vladimir_Putin=Putinism". Finally, according to the closing (a non-admin one)
[2], "Putinism can be forked from the new page title if necessary". That is what I did. As a note of order, the result of previous AfD discussion for this page was keep.
My very best wishes (
talk)
16:16, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- True, that AFD was keep, but that was referring to the article now housed at Russia under Vladimir Putin. The article was moved there from this title in 2016, but is basically about the same thing. And I'm not saying there's no such thing as "Putinism", I'm sure that exists as a WP:DICDEF term, but it basically just refers to the policies and record of Vladimir Putin during his tenure as Russian leader. — Amakuru ( talk) 16:45, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- According to majority of sources, "Putinism" and "Russia under Putin" are different, just as Gaullism and "France under Charles de Gaulle" are different. "Putinism" is more like an official ideology. The term is widely used in Russian, including even Russian sate officials. For example, well known Vladislav Surkov just published his ideas about it [3]. This needs to be included on the page. And no, this is not WP:DICDEF because there is a substantial coverage of the subject. My very best wishes ( talk) 17:12, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. There's a claim to be made that this article needs to be better differentiated from its parent, but that's an editorial issue, not a cause for deletion. The base question is whether "Putinism" is covered in reliable sources independent from merely Putin's governance of Russia. And that answer is resoundingly yes, with several articles in scholarly journals dedicated to examining essentially that question. For example: Economic Affairs, Russian Social Science Review, Journal of Democracy, and much of the content of this book, which (in part) compares Putinism to other similar leader-focused political philosophies like Bonapartism and Berlusconism. The above comparison to Gaullism is apt. Squeamish Ossifrage ( talk) 17:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka ( talk) 18:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep: a legitimate sub-article under Russia under Vladimir Putin. I don't see a reason to delete / redirect. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 20:50, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Different scopes, not fork. One is from history of russia, another is description of political system. Tbe previous one was rightly nuked as porly written mixture of both, while this one exibits clear thinking. - Altenmann >talk 01:06, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Putanism is already a small and legitimate sub-section of the large Russia under Vladimir Putin article – implpying it is a seperate sub-topic, which is correct. The larger article is concerned with mostly "outcomes" (e.g. economic growth, population change etc.), while "Putanism" is concerned with his approach/methods. Britishfinance ( talk) 21:04, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per above. I can't add more. Bearian ( talk) 19:10, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 17:22, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Putinism
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This was created today, as a fork of Russia under Vladimir Putin, an article which actually resided at Putinism itself until a move request in 2016. I don't think the concept of "Putinism" is sufficiently distinct from the general topic of Russia under Putin to merit its own article, and this should revert to being a redirect. — Amakuru ( talk) 15:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep First of all, the sources currently used on the page and others, such as
this,
this,
this,
this,
this,
[1],
this
this, tell that the "Putinism" does exist as a separate subject/terminology. One can also make Google searches. Secondly, please see
Russia_under_Vladimir_Putin#Putinism. "Putinism" is a section/sub-subject of page
Russia under Vladimir Putin. This is a legitimate sub-article. It would be wrong to say that "Russia_under_Vladimir_Putin=Putinism". Finally, according to the closing (a non-admin one)
[2], "Putinism can be forked from the new page title if necessary". That is what I did. As a note of order, the result of previous AfD discussion for this page was keep.
My very best wishes (
talk)
16:16, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- True, that AFD was keep, but that was referring to the article now housed at Russia under Vladimir Putin. The article was moved there from this title in 2016, but is basically about the same thing. And I'm not saying there's no such thing as "Putinism", I'm sure that exists as a WP:DICDEF term, but it basically just refers to the policies and record of Vladimir Putin during his tenure as Russian leader. — Amakuru ( talk) 16:45, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- According to majority of sources, "Putinism" and "Russia under Putin" are different, just as Gaullism and "France under Charles de Gaulle" are different. "Putinism" is more like an official ideology. The term is widely used in Russian, including even Russian sate officials. For example, well known Vladislav Surkov just published his ideas about it [3]. This needs to be included on the page. And no, this is not WP:DICDEF because there is a substantial coverage of the subject. My very best wishes ( talk) 17:12, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. There's a claim to be made that this article needs to be better differentiated from its parent, but that's an editorial issue, not a cause for deletion. The base question is whether "Putinism" is covered in reliable sources independent from merely Putin's governance of Russia. And that answer is resoundingly yes, with several articles in scholarly journals dedicated to examining essentially that question. For example: Economic Affairs, Russian Social Science Review, Journal of Democracy, and much of the content of this book, which (in part) compares Putinism to other similar leader-focused political philosophies like Bonapartism and Berlusconism. The above comparison to Gaullism is apt. Squeamish Ossifrage ( talk) 17:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka ( talk) 18:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka ( talk) 18:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep: a legitimate sub-article under Russia under Vladimir Putin. I don't see a reason to delete / redirect. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 20:50, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Different scopes, not fork. One is from history of russia, another is description of political system. Tbe previous one was rightly nuked as porly written mixture of both, while this one exibits clear thinking. - Altenmann >talk 01:06, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Putanism is already a small and legitimate sub-section of the large Russia under Vladimir Putin article – implpying it is a seperate sub-topic, which is correct. The larger article is concerned with mostly "outcomes" (e.g. economic growth, population change etc.), while "Putanism" is concerned with his approach/methods. Britishfinance ( talk) 21:04, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per above. I can't add more. Bearian ( talk) 19:10, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.