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This article purports to be on a princess, but that's clearly inaccurate as she was born in 1936, after the title was abolished. I tried to find sources for the correct name but failed. The two sources we cite are only passing mentions, and that's representative - which is to be expected as she died aged two. This is another example of articles on former noble families that are written and titled as if we lived in an alternate timeline where the Duchies, Archduchies and other fiefdoms still existed. Guy ( help!) 15:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Smeat75 ( talk) 15:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. The title is not the problem. The lack of significant coverage is. The same applies to the articles about her brothers. They are merely genealogical entries with over half the text copy-pasted from one to another. Surtsicna ( talk) 16:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment': Sorry @
Surtsicna:, The title IS a problem as there was no Grand Duchy for her to be Princess of.
PAustin4thApril1980 (
talk)
16:06, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- PAustin4thApril1980, there did not have to be a grand duchy for her to be known as a princess. People name themselves and others whatever they like. If it sticks, Wikipedia goes with it. Surtsicna ( talk) 16:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable person. Schazjmd (talk) 16:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable child. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to her father,
Georg Donatus, Hereditary Grand Duke of Hesse. The problem is not that the grand duchy was no longer a reigning monarchy during her time (1936 to 1939); the problem is that the subject died when she was 2 years old and thus there is little to say about her. Almost every fact in this article is already in the article about her father. --
Metropolitan90
(talk)
23:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Metropolitan90, OK, but redirect form what? This article title is fake. Guy ( help!) 09:53, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to father. Non-notable but worth a mention there.
Pam
D
09:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- PamD, sure, but the title is also made up. Guy ( help!) 09:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, but it's commonly used out there - google "Johanna Marina Eleonore" and a lot turns up. I've made a redirect from another version of her name, which can follow this one when this is made into a redirect. Pam D 10:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to father's page. Non-notable on their own, but appropriately covered in her father's article. I assume that the "Princess" title would be some sort of "official" pretender style. ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 05:14, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Redirect or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Redirect or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I voted delete but do not object to redirect. Schazjmd (talk) 19:41, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Georg Donatus, Hereditary Grand Duke of Hesse. Who cares if the monarchy was abolished, people can still call themselves whatever they please, and if that’s what they’re known by than WP:COMMONNAME says we follow. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 21:15, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Redirect - perfectly legitimate to call her Princess as that’s what reliable sources but she is not notable enough for a standalone article. Worth mentioning in her fathers article what happened to her when the rest of her family were killed. - dwc lr ( talk) 12:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
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This article purports to be on a princess, but that's clearly inaccurate as she was born in 1936, after the title was abolished. I tried to find sources for the correct name but failed. The two sources we cite are only passing mentions, and that's representative - which is to be expected as she died aged two. This is another example of articles on former noble families that are written and titled as if we lived in an alternate timeline where the Duchies, Archduchies and other fiefdoms still existed. Guy ( help!) 15:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Smeat75 ( talk) 15:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. The title is not the problem. The lack of significant coverage is. The same applies to the articles about her brothers. They are merely genealogical entries with over half the text copy-pasted from one to another. Surtsicna ( talk) 16:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment': Sorry @
Surtsicna:, The title IS a problem as there was no Grand Duchy for her to be Princess of.
PAustin4thApril1980 (
talk)
16:06, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- PAustin4thApril1980, there did not have to be a grand duchy for her to be known as a princess. People name themselves and others whatever they like. If it sticks, Wikipedia goes with it. Surtsicna ( talk) 16:13, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable person. Schazjmd (talk) 16:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable child. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 20:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to her father,
Georg Donatus, Hereditary Grand Duke of Hesse. The problem is not that the grand duchy was no longer a reigning monarchy during her time (1936 to 1939); the problem is that the subject died when she was 2 years old and thus there is little to say about her. Almost every fact in this article is already in the article about her father. --
Metropolitan90
(talk)
23:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Metropolitan90, OK, but redirect form what? This article title is fake. Guy ( help!) 09:53, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to father. Non-notable but worth a mention there.
Pam
D
09:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- PamD, sure, but the title is also made up. Guy ( help!) 09:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, but it's commonly used out there - google "Johanna Marina Eleonore" and a lot turns up. I've made a redirect from another version of her name, which can follow this one when this is made into a redirect. Pam D 10:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to father's page. Non-notable on their own, but appropriately covered in her father's article. I assume that the "Princess" title would be some sort of "official" pretender style. ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 05:14, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Redirect or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Redirect or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I voted delete but do not object to redirect. Schazjmd (talk) 19:41, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect to Georg Donatus, Hereditary Grand Duke of Hesse. Who cares if the monarchy was abolished, people can still call themselves whatever they please, and if that’s what they’re known by than WP:COMMONNAME says we follow. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 21:15, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Pi (Talk to me!) 22:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Pi (Talk to me!) 22:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect - perfectly legitimate to call her Princess as that’s what reliable sources but she is not notable enough for a standalone article. Worth mentioning in her fathers article what happened to her when the rest of her family were killed. - dwc lr ( talk) 12:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.