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The result was no consensus. TonyBallioni ( talk) 17:46, 12 February 2018 (UTC) reply

PostmarketOS

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At first glance, the topic has several references; however, as raised at Template:Did you know nominations/postmarketOS, it appears that most of these are either not independent, of questionable reliability, or are passing mentions. A search couldn't really find much other significant coverage that may have been missed. Narutolovehinata5 ^{t c csd new} 23:44, 29 January 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. Narutolovehinata5 ^{t c csd new} 23:45, 29 January 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Narutolovehinata5 ^{t c csd new} 23:45, 29 January 2018 (UTC) reply

• Userfy or Delete (disclosure: I received a neutral notification at my Talk page as a likely interested party as I'd conducted the DYK review of this article) This may be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Sourcing in the article is extremely limited and largely not WP:INDEPENDENT. This may be due to the fact the OS has yet to launch and, with a launch date imminent, the breadth and depth of coverage may soon expand. Userfying the content, and deleting the article from mainspace, would allow the author to expand it - when additional sources are available - and then resubmit it to DYK without falling afoul of the five-day newness limit. My second choice is full delete. Chetsford ( talk) 00:00, 30 January 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep. The project has received a very large amount of coverage and interest from media sources (disproportionately larger than any comparable software project) as cited in the article itself. -- RaviC ( talk) 12:41, 30 January 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep: I did some searches and found several reliable-looking full-length articles about postmarketOS. I think WP:GNG is established by these: xda-developers.com fossbytes.com 1, fossbytes.com 2, liliputing.com, hackaday.com, notebookcheck.net. And articles with significant mentions: datamation.com (4 paragraphs), linuxgizmos.com 1 (3 paragraphs), linuxgizmos.com 2 (3 paragraphs). Has anyone looked into these in detail and deemed them unreliable? -- intgr  [talk] 12:49, 30 January 2018 (UTC) reply

Are linuxgizmos.com, xda-developers.com, etc. WP:RS? Chetsford ( talk) 15:28, 30 January 2018 (UTC) reply

@ Chetsford: Well generally in AfD discussions, 2-3 whole news articles about a subject is considered sufficient for WP:GNG, so the question is, are most of these sources unreliable?

While these sites aren't the pinnacle of WP:RS, linuxgizmos.com has an editorial team and xda-developers was at one point hiring an editor, so not on the level of some personal blog either. -- intgr  [talk] 14:21, 5 February 2018 (UTC) reply

Well InfoWars has an editorial team, so that fact doesn't really establish linuxgizmos.com as a RS in my mind. When I check to see if linuxgizmos.com or xda-developers.com or plasma-mobile.org or wiki.debia.org have been sourced to outlets that are, themselves, unambiguously RS, I turn up nothing. Chetsford ( talk) 16:45, 5 February 2018 (UTC) reply

I mentioned the editorial team because WP:RS talks about "editorial control" and having an editorial team suggests that; I also said that in the context that it makes them better than personal blogs. So bringing up InfoWars comes off as a straw man. Point is, these are all small-ish online news websites and on the "RS spectrum" they fall in the middle, they're not "clearly unreliable". I also don't see why you're concentrating on these ones out of all the ones I listed. I never mentioned plasma-mobile.org or wiki.debian.org, which you bring up now, I agree those aren't reliable sources. -- intgr  [talk] 19:46, 5 February 2018 (UTC) reply

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