The result of the debate was delete. This discussion has not yielded anything looking remotely like a reliable source - instead we have a lot of hot air, some Geocities-level websites mostly consisting of just the lyrics and barely any pretense by those clamouring for keep that this article meets Wikipedia policy. The article itself starts off with an unsourced claim "It was a huge hit", followed by a copyright-violating lyric transcript, followed by nationalistic original thought: "It can serve as an illustrative example of famous Serbian proud defiance (srpski inat) with which Serbs have resisted and eventually defeated many mighty enemies through centuries - Turks, Austro-Hungarians, Germans, and were now applying the same unashamed attitude of defiance towards mighty NATO". It's never going to be an acceptable encyclopaedia article, and this discussion has proven that while ably demonstrating why AfD is not a vote. -- Sam Blanning (talk) 22:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC) reply
The song is not notable enough to have its own article. Plus the translation is atrocious, and there is no information about copyright issues.
Why would I need copyrights?I just wrote down the words of the song,like in this case Keep Ya Head Up!! If you allowed that song,why wouldn`t you allow thi song,that is maybe the most famous Satrirical war song in 90s Dzoni 07:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC) reply
Because Indekosovci was group that also had many satrirical songs about Milosevic ,so they were pretty much banned from all TV stations.But thi particural song was played all over the country,and you couldn`t find A SINGLE SERB THAT NEVER HEARD IT!!! Its very famous even outside Serbia.
Also I should just mention such classics as "Ja sam Ja",those are also even more popular songs by Indeksovci.
Blacer,you should ask someone who knows Serbian to help you with that Google search,you will find planty of "return hits". Dzoni 04:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC) reply
Allow me to give you few links to this song:::::::: http://www.tirova.com/glasba/kondor_pada.htm http://www.ptt.yu/korisnici/m/a/makso/new_page_2.htm http://members.fortunecity.com/jupi2/elcondor.htm http://www.vicevi.net/index.php/haag.com/index.php?st=komentar&IDvic=34537
IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU?
Name of the song in Serbian is "EL KONDOR PADA".
p.s.Balcer,I have done told you that you are wrong about Lepper and now we saw that you was wrong.Now you are wrong again.You should think about quiting Wikipedia Dzoni 04:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC) reply
Ok,I changed name to "El Condor Pada",so now there is a prove that its very famous song. Dzoni 11:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC) reply
yes,but 2 link are Serban,one is Slovenian and one is English.Tha only means that song was popular even outside of Serbia.Ask any Serb if he heard it,everyone did. I can hardly find a web site that have an article about the song,but not a single SErbian song got articles about it on the internet,does that mean that there is no nobale Serbian songs? Or that just means that they never made it to Internet,but are still famous? Dzoni 12:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC) reply
Who are you to think,siptarcino smrdljiva mamu ti jebem.who gives a damn what you think.Dumb bastard.This is democracy,MOST PEOPLE VOTED STAY,SO NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR YOUR STUPID ALBANIAN OPINION Dzoni 15:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply
I am a Serb, ni ja ne volim Šiptare ali matori, jebiga nemoj ovde da vredjaš. Reci mi gde mogu da skinem mp3 El Kondor Pada? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kris12 ( talk • contribs) .
I wouldnt agree that we voted because someone told us to vote.We all explained our votes.
Anyway,what I dont see is,why would this Albanians opinion be important in thi case.He can not possible be honest and objective on this subject,so he should be banned from voting here. Also,"Siptar" is not offensive,because thats how they call themselves.
Kris12 have not said anything offensive,I did said what I mean of Siptars,but since I was officialy warned on my talk page that I will be banned,I will try not to use those words again.
And yes ReyBrujo,you got some nerves to say that we did not explained our votes.You was the one to said only few words with your first vote:"Song is not notable". We proved that song is VERY notable,so it would only be fair for you to apologise and change your vote.Off course,you can continue ignoring the facts...
Kris,pesma moze da se skine na jednom od ovih sajtova za koje sam dao linkove na ovoj strani,a ako ne rade onda mogu ja da ti posaljem Dzoni 17:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply
I voted keep, with some suggestions. I think the song has merit as an entry, given what else gets its own entry on Wikipedia. I'm no friend of Dzoni. He's a racist pig. He's an anti-semite. He imagined that I'm Jewish and then spewed his anti-Semitic vitriol on me. I'm not Jewish, I'm not Serbian. I'm...nevermind. He's a troll, basically. But I do think the entry has merit, and ... he did ask me to vote for it. Strange, eh? But so be it. Profnjm 19:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply
Profnjm,just because I dont like Zionists-Im a pig?!?!You are calling me a pig just because I pointed out that you can be blocked for further vandalising article about Dobrica Cosic!
You should thank me that I warned you,otherwise you would`ve probably been banned by now. Dzoni 20:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply
"Delete, Wiki doesn't need such nationalistic songs" -- is that really the criterion for inclusion? Nationalistic materials need not apply? As if nationalism isn't the single most destructive phenomenon of the past 150 years? That comment doesn't wash.
Profnjm 13:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
reply
ARTICLE WAS MAJORLY IMPROVED TODAY,I WOULD LIKE TO ASK EVERYONE WHO VOTED DELETE(except Bet 0 and Mig 11)TO LOOK AT THE ARTICLE AGAIN,I BELIEVE THAT THEN ALL OF YOU WILL CHANGE YOUR VOTES AND THIS VOTING CAN BE CLOSED ONCE AND FOR ALL.
Dzoni 13:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
reply
comment To all Serbians voting "keep": Why is there still no link to a Serbian version of this article? -- Austrian 21:03, 7 May 2006 (UTC) reply
Comment Having reconsidered, this article would fit better as a part of an (yet unexisting) article Anti-NATO propaganda in Serbia in 1999 (or similar titled). As for my previous post here, the original lyrics is now included but as some users pointed out, there might be a copyright violation so keep just an exemplary section or the lyrics included (decide for yourself what part). -- Ton e 21:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete. This discussion has not yielded anything looking remotely like a reliable source - instead we have a lot of hot air, some Geocities-level websites mostly consisting of just the lyrics and barely any pretense by those clamouring for keep that this article meets Wikipedia policy. The article itself starts off with an unsourced claim "It was a huge hit", followed by a copyright-violating lyric transcript, followed by nationalistic original thought: "It can serve as an illustrative example of famous Serbian proud defiance (srpski inat) with which Serbs have resisted and eventually defeated many mighty enemies through centuries - Turks, Austro-Hungarians, Germans, and were now applying the same unashamed attitude of defiance towards mighty NATO". It's never going to be an acceptable encyclopaedia article, and this discussion has proven that while ably demonstrating why AfD is not a vote. -- Sam Blanning (talk) 22:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC) reply
The song is not notable enough to have its own article. Plus the translation is atrocious, and there is no information about copyright issues.
Why would I need copyrights?I just wrote down the words of the song,like in this case Keep Ya Head Up!! If you allowed that song,why wouldn`t you allow thi song,that is maybe the most famous Satrirical war song in 90s Dzoni 07:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC) reply
Because Indekosovci was group that also had many satrirical songs about Milosevic ,so they were pretty much banned from all TV stations.But thi particural song was played all over the country,and you couldn`t find A SINGLE SERB THAT NEVER HEARD IT!!! Its very famous even outside Serbia.
Also I should just mention such classics as "Ja sam Ja",those are also even more popular songs by Indeksovci.
Blacer,you should ask someone who knows Serbian to help you with that Google search,you will find planty of "return hits". Dzoni 04:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC) reply
Allow me to give you few links to this song:::::::: http://www.tirova.com/glasba/kondor_pada.htm http://www.ptt.yu/korisnici/m/a/makso/new_page_2.htm http://members.fortunecity.com/jupi2/elcondor.htm http://www.vicevi.net/index.php/haag.com/index.php?st=komentar&IDvic=34537
IS THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU?
Name of the song in Serbian is "EL KONDOR PADA".
p.s.Balcer,I have done told you that you are wrong about Lepper and now we saw that you was wrong.Now you are wrong again.You should think about quiting Wikipedia Dzoni 04:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC) reply
Ok,I changed name to "El Condor Pada",so now there is a prove that its very famous song. Dzoni 11:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC) reply
yes,but 2 link are Serban,one is Slovenian and one is English.Tha only means that song was popular even outside of Serbia.Ask any Serb if he heard it,everyone did. I can hardly find a web site that have an article about the song,but not a single SErbian song got articles about it on the internet,does that mean that there is no nobale Serbian songs? Or that just means that they never made it to Internet,but are still famous? Dzoni 12:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC) reply
Who are you to think,siptarcino smrdljiva mamu ti jebem.who gives a damn what you think.Dumb bastard.This is democracy,MOST PEOPLE VOTED STAY,SO NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR YOUR STUPID ALBANIAN OPINION Dzoni 15:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply
I am a Serb, ni ja ne volim Šiptare ali matori, jebiga nemoj ovde da vredjaš. Reci mi gde mogu da skinem mp3 El Kondor Pada? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kris12 ( talk • contribs) .
I wouldnt agree that we voted because someone told us to vote.We all explained our votes.
Anyway,what I dont see is,why would this Albanians opinion be important in thi case.He can not possible be honest and objective on this subject,so he should be banned from voting here. Also,"Siptar" is not offensive,because thats how they call themselves.
Kris12 have not said anything offensive,I did said what I mean of Siptars,but since I was officialy warned on my talk page that I will be banned,I will try not to use those words again.
And yes ReyBrujo,you got some nerves to say that we did not explained our votes.You was the one to said only few words with your first vote:"Song is not notable". We proved that song is VERY notable,so it would only be fair for you to apologise and change your vote.Off course,you can continue ignoring the facts...
Kris,pesma moze da se skine na jednom od ovih sajtova za koje sam dao linkove na ovoj strani,a ako ne rade onda mogu ja da ti posaljem Dzoni 17:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply
I voted keep, with some suggestions. I think the song has merit as an entry, given what else gets its own entry on Wikipedia. I'm no friend of Dzoni. He's a racist pig. He's an anti-semite. He imagined that I'm Jewish and then spewed his anti-Semitic vitriol on me. I'm not Jewish, I'm not Serbian. I'm...nevermind. He's a troll, basically. But I do think the entry has merit, and ... he did ask me to vote for it. Strange, eh? But so be it. Profnjm 19:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply
Profnjm,just because I dont like Zionists-Im a pig?!?!You are calling me a pig just because I pointed out that you can be blocked for further vandalising article about Dobrica Cosic!
You should thank me that I warned you,otherwise you would`ve probably been banned by now. Dzoni 20:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply
"Delete, Wiki doesn't need such nationalistic songs" -- is that really the criterion for inclusion? Nationalistic materials need not apply? As if nationalism isn't the single most destructive phenomenon of the past 150 years? That comment doesn't wash.
Profnjm 13:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
reply
ARTICLE WAS MAJORLY IMPROVED TODAY,I WOULD LIKE TO ASK EVERYONE WHO VOTED DELETE(except Bet 0 and Mig 11)TO LOOK AT THE ARTICLE AGAIN,I BELIEVE THAT THEN ALL OF YOU WILL CHANGE YOUR VOTES AND THIS VOTING CAN BE CLOSED ONCE AND FOR ALL.
Dzoni 13:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
reply
comment To all Serbians voting "keep": Why is there still no link to a Serbian version of this article? -- Austrian 21:03, 7 May 2006 (UTC) reply
Comment Having reconsidered, this article would fit better as a part of an (yet unexisting) article Anti-NATO propaganda in Serbia in 1999 (or similar titled). As for my previous post here, the original lyrics is now included but as some users pointed out, there might be a copyright violation so keep just an exemplary section or the lyrics included (decide for yourself what part). -- Ton e 21:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC) reply