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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 14:07, 17 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Petra Seeger

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I couldn't find the reliable coverage to show she meets WP:ENT or WP:GNG. This has been in CAT:NN for 12 years; hopefully we can get this resolved. Boleyn ( talk) 08:02, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 09:21, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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• Comment - I added another source. It seems that she is known for her film, In Search of Memory (redlink) on the neuroscientist Eric Kandel. I found an article in the journal, Nature, and added it to the article. If nothing else shows up in the way of reliable sources, a few sentences about her film on him could be added to the Eric Kandel article (redirect to the filmography section of his article?). Netherzone ( talk) 15:20, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply
• Keep: coverage of her film suggests that she meets criterion #4 of WP:FILMMAKER but it's doubtful we should have an article on her if there are no reliable biographical sources. I searched and found this: a fairly comprehensive bio from a reliable source. (You can tell the website is reliable since it's funded by the German federal government and the state of Hesse.) I'll add some content from the new source to the article. Modussiccandi ( talk) 21:21, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Pinging Netherzone after new source was found and integrated into article. Modussiccandi ( talk) 21:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

• Modussiccandi, good find. I just re-read WP:FILMMAKER criteria 4, and I think more than one review would be needed to meet that SNG per the wording "significant critical attention". I'm guessing there are more reviews out there. Perhaps for other films as well? Another avenue to research is whether her films are in any museum collections. Netherzone ( talk) 21:53, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Netherzone The same website says that the film was given the "Best Documentary" award at the 2010 Bavarian Film Awards. That could be viewed as constituting the "won significant critical attention" bit of #4. I've also found another review (you need to click on the tab entitled 'Jury Bewertung' to see the full review), from the Deutsche Film- und Medienbewertung (FBW). Overall, I think this is enough to show she meets WP:FILMMAKER. Modussiccandi ( talk) 22:03, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

I just found a museum collection, the U.S. Holocaust Museum [1]. One more collection will do it, since "several" means two or more (at least that is how the criteria for WP:NARTIST has been interpreted for years. Also found this coverage in what looks like a book chapter/journal article. [2] Netherzone ( talk) 22:11, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

And a New York Times review: [3] Netherzone ( talk) 22:15, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Netherzone ( talk) 22:17, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you for finding all these sources. Don't worry if you don't find another collection. I think we've already established that she meets WP:ARTIST: you added the reviews in Nature and NYT, and I found the review by Deutsche Film- und Medienbewertung (FBW). Together they satisfy the multiple review requirement. One could even argue that she meets WP:ANYBIO because she's won an award at the notable Bavarian Film Awards. Modussiccandi ( talk) 22:21, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

• Keep - After doing a WP:BEFORE search, it's clear that she is notable; between the museum collection, multiple reviews of her work, extensive screening history and a notable award, she meets WP:FILMMAKER/[{WP:NARTIST]]. I am guessing there is more to find as well, as Modussiccandi and I did not have to search long or deeply to find these sources, some of which have been added to the article. Netherzone ( talk) 22:36, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply
• Keep as noted above and per WP:FILMMAKER, because she has created [...] a significant or well-known work that has been the primary subject [...] of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. e.g. New York Times, CS Monitor, Variety, Boston Globe. Beccaynr ( talk) 22:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply
• Withdraw nomination per excellent points above. Boleyn ( talk) 20:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC) reply

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