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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 02:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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Non-notable railroad siding. – dlthewave ☎ 18:03, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Arkansas. – dlthewave ☎ 18:03, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- delete In spite of all the verbiage about the rail line in another article, aerials reveal that the line wasn't built until the Certainteed factory was built. We have thorough coverage after than to show that this is only the north end of a long siding. Mangoe ( talk) 01:45, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Google Earth shows a railroad crossing. The Certainteed factory is nearby. No evidence of a community within several miles.
- -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 12:12, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting discussion, deletion contested on article talk page so it is not eligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:30, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'd Leave it Be - While it is not an earthshaking question whether Perkins does or does not have a Wikipedia page, I see no reason to delete it. The article is accurate and documented, and the settlement appears on maps of general applicability like Google Maps. I’m sure it’s important to the people who live there, and It is certainly an important locale to the railroads since the websites for both Union Pacific (see Reference 3) and the DeQueen and Eastern (see https://patriotrail.com/rail/dequeen-and-eastern-railroad-dqe/ ) specifically reference it. And, while someone seems to have been cranked up to discuss Umpire, Arkansas on its Wikipedia page, most unincorporated communities in Howard County have even less going for them (see Corinth, Midway, Mineola, Okay, or Schaal). That’s just a function of rural Arkansas; I don’t think we want to delete Howard County because it’s boring. And, I suppose that, to the extent someone sees the place on a map and wonders about it, the fact that there is a Wikipedia page but such page does NOT show Perkins as a more interesting locale may by itself answer the question of whether this is a hidden gem worth investigating. Absent a good reason to get rid of the page, I’d leave it be. TulGuy ( talk) 21:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC) Moved from Talk:Perkins, Arkansas – dlthewave ☎ 22:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- @ TulGuy:, what is it that makes you say this is a settlement, or that anyone lives (or did live) there? Right now all we know is that it's the location of a railroad connection, and there's no significant coverage to establish notability. Unfortunately your argument boils down to WP:ILIKEIT which isn't a valid reason to maintain an article. – dlthewave ☎ 23:01, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete if it actually is a railroad siding then it needs to pass the notability guidelines for us to have an article on it, and it doesn't. The one source cited which isn't a map or database [1] doesn't provide significant coverage of the subject. Hut 8.5 17:18, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to
De Queen and Eastern Railroad. Seems that all we can say about it is that it's a railroad junction, so it makes sense to redirect to the railroad article that already mentions that junction while also providing broader context. --
Visviva (
talk)
01:24, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Just to add a bit more of a policy-based rationale here, it appears to me that: (1) because
De Queen and Eastern Railroad already contains useful information about Perkins, a redirect is appropriate per
WP:ATD-R and
WP:R#DELETE (i.e. if this were already a redirect there would be no basis for deleting it); and (2) outside of unusual circumstances that don't apply here, delete-and-redirect is proscribed by the bedrock policy
WP:PRESERVE. (Plus it's also twice as much work.) --
Visviva (
talk)
20:12, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- To further articulate: My thinking, which could be faulty, is that a delete-and-redirect is identical in effect to a redirect-and- revdel, and therefore we should only be doing the former in the very limited cases in which the latter would be appropriate. -- Visviva ( talk) 03:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
- Just to add a bit more of a policy-based rationale here, it appears to me that: (1) because
De Queen and Eastern Railroad already contains useful information about Perkins, a redirect is appropriate per
WP:ATD-R and
WP:R#DELETE (i.e. if this were already a redirect there would be no basis for deleting it); and (2) outside of unusual circumstances that don't apply here, delete-and-redirect is proscribed by the bedrock policy
WP:PRESERVE. (Plus it's also twice as much work.) --
Visviva (
talk)
20:12, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Deleteper my earlier comment above: there's nothing there in the satellite image. -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 03:24, 4 July 2023 (UTC)- Hard to tell what's at the location. There is a giant CertainTeed plant 0.3 miles from the point Google Maps identifies as Perkins ( https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Perkins,+AR/CertainTeed+Plant,+794+AR-369,+Nashville,+AR+71852/@34.078495,-93.8617253,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x8634988eafd8e1d1:0x2b13c74a0ae424ba!2m2!1d-93.8599091!2d34.0767775!1m5!1m1!1s0x863499d9415514e5:0x797ae0b882eccc10!2m2!1d-93.8592001!2d34.0801977!3e0?entry=ttu ). The plant has a Nashville, Arkansas address, but is 11.4 miles from Nashville ( https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Nashville,+AR/CertainTeed+Plant,+794+AR-369,+Nashville,+AR+71852/@34.0168764,-93.9396059,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x86349b067331f6b7:0x51f1f154368d37e2!2m2!1d-93.8470509!2d33.9482519!1m5!1m1!1s0x863499d9415514e5:0x797ae0b882eccc10!2m2!1d-93.8592001!2d34.0801977!3e0?entry=ttu ), and all that typically means in the countryside is that the Nashville post office is delivering the mail in the area. (I’ve lived in an incorporated town in the country, but my mailing address was nevertheless another town entirely, where the post office was located.) If you go to USPS.com’s “Find USPS Locations” page ( https://tools.usps.com/find-location.htm ) and feed in Perkins, Arkansas as the search term, the USPS knows exactly where that is and has no problem telling you that Dierks, Murfreesboro and Nashville are the nearest post offices. So Perkins isn't a figment of our imaginations; and again, unless there is an affirmative reason to delete the page, I'd leave it alone. I note someone has already modified the page to call Perkins a rail connection point, which it certainly is. I'd vote for that over deletion entirely. TulGuy ( talk) 17:55, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete and redirect per
Visviva's work above. --
A. B. (
talk •
contribs •
global count)
21:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- I appreciate it, and I might be missing something here, but just for the record I should note that that is the opposite of the point I thought I was making (namely that delete-and-redirect would be improper here). -- Visviva ( talk) 03:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 02:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Non-notable railroad siding. – dlthewave ☎ 18:03, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Arkansas. – dlthewave ☎ 18:03, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- delete In spite of all the verbiage about the rail line in another article, aerials reveal that the line wasn't built until the Certainteed factory was built. We have thorough coverage after than to show that this is only the north end of a long siding. Mangoe ( talk) 01:45, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Google Earth shows a railroad crossing. The Certainteed factory is nearby. No evidence of a community within several miles.
- -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 12:12, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting discussion, deletion contested on article talk page so it is not eligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:30, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'd Leave it Be - While it is not an earthshaking question whether Perkins does or does not have a Wikipedia page, I see no reason to delete it. The article is accurate and documented, and the settlement appears on maps of general applicability like Google Maps. I’m sure it’s important to the people who live there, and It is certainly an important locale to the railroads since the websites for both Union Pacific (see Reference 3) and the DeQueen and Eastern (see https://patriotrail.com/rail/dequeen-and-eastern-railroad-dqe/ ) specifically reference it. And, while someone seems to have been cranked up to discuss Umpire, Arkansas on its Wikipedia page, most unincorporated communities in Howard County have even less going for them (see Corinth, Midway, Mineola, Okay, or Schaal). That’s just a function of rural Arkansas; I don’t think we want to delete Howard County because it’s boring. And, I suppose that, to the extent someone sees the place on a map and wonders about it, the fact that there is a Wikipedia page but such page does NOT show Perkins as a more interesting locale may by itself answer the question of whether this is a hidden gem worth investigating. Absent a good reason to get rid of the page, I’d leave it be. TulGuy ( talk) 21:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC) Moved from Talk:Perkins, Arkansas – dlthewave ☎ 22:55, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- @ TulGuy:, what is it that makes you say this is a settlement, or that anyone lives (or did live) there? Right now all we know is that it's the location of a railroad connection, and there's no significant coverage to establish notability. Unfortunately your argument boils down to WP:ILIKEIT which isn't a valid reason to maintain an article. – dlthewave ☎ 23:01, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete if it actually is a railroad siding then it needs to pass the notability guidelines for us to have an article on it, and it doesn't. The one source cited which isn't a map or database [1] doesn't provide significant coverage of the subject. Hut 8.5 17:18, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to
De Queen and Eastern Railroad. Seems that all we can say about it is that it's a railroad junction, so it makes sense to redirect to the railroad article that already mentions that junction while also providing broader context. --
Visviva (
talk)
01:24, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Just to add a bit more of a policy-based rationale here, it appears to me that: (1) because
De Queen and Eastern Railroad already contains useful information about Perkins, a redirect is appropriate per
WP:ATD-R and
WP:R#DELETE (i.e. if this were already a redirect there would be no basis for deleting it); and (2) outside of unusual circumstances that don't apply here, delete-and-redirect is proscribed by the bedrock policy
WP:PRESERVE. (Plus it's also twice as much work.) --
Visviva (
talk)
20:12, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- To further articulate: My thinking, which could be faulty, is that a delete-and-redirect is identical in effect to a redirect-and- revdel, and therefore we should only be doing the former in the very limited cases in which the latter would be appropriate. -- Visviva ( talk) 03:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
- Just to add a bit more of a policy-based rationale here, it appears to me that: (1) because
De Queen and Eastern Railroad already contains useful information about Perkins, a redirect is appropriate per
WP:ATD-R and
WP:R#DELETE (i.e. if this were already a redirect there would be no basis for deleting it); and (2) outside of unusual circumstances that don't apply here, delete-and-redirect is proscribed by the bedrock policy
WP:PRESERVE. (Plus it's also twice as much work.) --
Visviva (
talk)
20:12, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Deleteper my earlier comment above: there's nothing there in the satellite image. -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 03:24, 4 July 2023 (UTC)- Hard to tell what's at the location. There is a giant CertainTeed plant 0.3 miles from the point Google Maps identifies as Perkins ( https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Perkins,+AR/CertainTeed+Plant,+794+AR-369,+Nashville,+AR+71852/@34.078495,-93.8617253,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x8634988eafd8e1d1:0x2b13c74a0ae424ba!2m2!1d-93.8599091!2d34.0767775!1m5!1m1!1s0x863499d9415514e5:0x797ae0b882eccc10!2m2!1d-93.8592001!2d34.0801977!3e0?entry=ttu ). The plant has a Nashville, Arkansas address, but is 11.4 miles from Nashville ( https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Nashville,+AR/CertainTeed+Plant,+794+AR-369,+Nashville,+AR+71852/@34.0168764,-93.9396059,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x86349b067331f6b7:0x51f1f154368d37e2!2m2!1d-93.8470509!2d33.9482519!1m5!1m1!1s0x863499d9415514e5:0x797ae0b882eccc10!2m2!1d-93.8592001!2d34.0801977!3e0?entry=ttu ), and all that typically means in the countryside is that the Nashville post office is delivering the mail in the area. (I’ve lived in an incorporated town in the country, but my mailing address was nevertheless another town entirely, where the post office was located.) If you go to USPS.com’s “Find USPS Locations” page ( https://tools.usps.com/find-location.htm ) and feed in Perkins, Arkansas as the search term, the USPS knows exactly where that is and has no problem telling you that Dierks, Murfreesboro and Nashville are the nearest post offices. So Perkins isn't a figment of our imaginations; and again, unless there is an affirmative reason to delete the page, I'd leave it alone. I note someone has already modified the page to call Perkins a rail connection point, which it certainly is. I'd vote for that over deletion entirely. TulGuy ( talk) 17:55, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete and redirect per
Visviva's work above. --
A. B. (
talk •
contribs •
global count)
21:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- I appreciate it, and I might be missing something here, but just for the record I should note that that is the opposite of the point I thought I was making (namely that delete-and-redirect would be improper here). -- Visviva ( talk) 03:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.