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Patriot Party (political party)
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While there are news articles about this hypothetical party, I think this is WP:TOOSOON and WP:NOTNEWS - it is based on reports/rumours, and there's been nothing official (yet) - so I don't think it is notable enough to have its own article. If in the future, this becomes official, or there is significant coverage about this, it may warrant an article then; but until that happens, I don't think there should be one now. Seagull123 Φ 16:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment I created this article knowing that a nomination for deletion might happen as I just wanted to post some initial info on the topic. Maybe this article should be drafted for now as the info might be useful for the future. X-Editor ( talk) 16:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Here's my
Patriot Party draft page, edit it if you want.
X-Editor (
talk)
16:31, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
X-Editor: if you didn't know about this before, you may find that doing that sort of thing in a
draft or
userspace draft is better in the future.
Seagull123
Φ
16:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @ Seagull123: I've changed it to a draft page. X-Editor ( talk) 16:46, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
X-Editor: if you didn't know about this before, you may find that doing that sort of thing in a
draft or
userspace draft is better in the future.
Seagull123
Φ
16:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment At minimum I think this needs to be moved to a different title, as "(political party)" is not the right identifier. But generally, I do think an article would need to show that something will form, otherwise this is WP:TOOSOON. -- Enos733 ( talk) 16:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
Enos733:
Note: this was moved by
Lee Vilenski from
Patriot Party (Donald Trump) earlier today.
Seagull123
Φ
16:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
Enos733:
- Delete – WP:CRYSTAL. – S. Rich ( talk) 01:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep – Let’s see what happens in the coming days, weeks and months. It could develop in similar and more radical form to the
Tea Party of the previous decade. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
35.143.142.44 (
talk)
01:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Update: “We’ll do something, but not just yet,” Trump told journalist Rob Crilly of the Washington Examiner. (sorry if it’s formatted incorrectly) 35.143.142.44 ( talk) 02:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Donald Trump, though I would wager this will probably become notable soon. Elliot321 ( talk | contribs) 03:30, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- @ Elliot321: Merging this article with the Donald Trump article would be a good course of action imo. X-Editor ( talk) 04:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete WP:NOTNEWS (and WP:CRYSTAL in response to anon's comment). Trump has made many comments; doesn't mean something will come out of it. Ribbet32 ( talk) 04:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge with Political positions of Donald Trump. The linked page contains a description of DJT's partisan affiliation towards the top, and there is already a reference there to the possibility of creating a Patriot Party. In any case, it is unlikely that this will add significantly more value towards that page, so I lean a bit towards delete. Mikehawk10 ( talk) 07:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Donald Trump for now. At present it is no more than an idea that it is alleged Mr. Trump has floated in discussions with others. It does not exist in any concrete form, nor has it done anything, ran any candidates or anything else. The concept at best fails not news guidelines among others. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to the main Trump article, nothing more than what would be one of his ranting tweets had he not been suspended. If/when it does happen, the article can be created. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. The parenthesis in the name is all wrong, too; see Patriot Party (1960s–1980s), which also existed in the United States. XOR'easter ( talk) 18:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON ChipotleHater ( talk) 02:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:TOOSOON but might well become a thing later on so best to keep the barebones in the history. The C of E God Save the Queen! ( talk) 09:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Strong delete per WP:CRYSTAL. For the most part this article is total speculation and in no way passes WP:GNG. — Czello 10:25, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Don't just delete it yet. We have to wait and find out if the "Patriot Party" rumors are true or not. 11:35, 23 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
2603:8000:2D00:B211:6C87:E37A:9814:5F8B (
talk)
- Why do we? There needs to be proof it's A Thing before there's justification of the article's existence. — Czello 17:54, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON, as others above have argued. -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 17:56, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Multiple news outlets are now reporting that Trump has abandoned the idea: 1, 2 This reinforces what I and others have argued in opposing this article's existence. -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 02:03, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Again Wikipedia editorship is being stupid (in my humble opinion) and looking silly trying to eliminate basic coverage of emerging/new but real things. What is real? At least that "Patriot Party" is a real concept. It is a spectre for some/many. I have myself only just heard of it, i.e. the idea that Trump would form a new party has existed but now it has a name. Let the Wikipedia article cover it, be updated as the concept evolves and as something that looks more like a real party emerges or does not. And, duh, of course, there will be lots and lots and lots and lots of coverage, and it is stupid/silly to stick your head in the sand and deny that. My 2 cents. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:17, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
Doncram: it doesn't even exist yet, though. As the lead says: it is a
hypothetical political party
. Also, even if it were real, its mere existence wouldn't be reason to keep it. Seagull123 Φ 23:31, 24 January 2021 (UTC)- !Voters here, at least some so far and more who will arrive, are stuck on "but it's not a regular/formal political party, it's not real". However, it is real...it has been real for quite a while, it is a thing. What it is though is a concept, a threat of coming into existence, which has already affected a lot of politicians and their choices and real events. And it has been covered, mentioned, discussed in depth even, many times over. You just don't want to accept a newly coined name for it? -- Doncram ( talk) 01:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- I haven't seen this term used in any news articles or blogs yet, but it absolutely does exist just like a
fleet in being is a very real force in warfare. Which affects persons and decisions and world events hugely. The existence of the
German battleship Tirpitz in fjords in Norway during World War II was a big deal. Don't tell the United Kingdom that it wasn't real, even though it was not actively sailing out and attacking convoys. Sure, the article should be revised to emphasize that what "it" is is not a real party (yet), and to explain what it is, instead. Pretending it doesn't exist would not have been a good strategy for the United Kingdom, either. --
Doncram (
talk)
01:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- That's not an untrue suggestion, but at this point this is more of a tugboat in being. Political career of Donald Trump is a good place for this until it gets itself a destroyer in being at least. Reywas92 Talk 04:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
Doncram: it doesn't even exist yet, though. As the lead says: it is a
- The fleet and the Tirpitz existed and could have been deployed. If they had merely been concepts, the UK would have been much less impressed, i.e., not at all. We don't have to pretend that the party doesn't exist because there is no party. Trump hasn't filed the paperwork, rented an office, hired staff, etc. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 15:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - Per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON. BilCat ( talk) 02:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge to Donald Trump per nom and also per WP:TOOSOON. NaranjaLujosa let's talk! 14:59, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:NOTNEWS and WP:CRYSTAL. Trump floated the idea without taking any steps to found a party and now seems to have abandoned it, per sources cited in comment by 1990'sguy. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 15:39, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete- Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:CRYSTAL, perhaps, as another editor suggested, redirecting to Donald Trump (for now, assuming the party is created). Sarcataclysmal ( talk) 18:26, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete CRYSTAL. Maybe include in a brief paragraph to the Trump article, but not enough for its own yet. Jlevi ( talk) 19:49, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge content into Donald Trump article, in the "Post-presidency" section. Whether Trump has or has not abandoned the idea, the fact this was considered is noteworthy. Deleting without merging would be a bad idea. -- Bangalamania ( talk) 19:52, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - Jumping the cannon. GoodDay ( talk) 23:09, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - The party is already in its infantile stages, and it's worth reading the Fox San Antonio article describing the party's legal standing and its purported membership. Even if the party is not necessarily the same one as the one Trump envisioned, it's worth keeping on Wikipedia, just like the small "Conservative Party" organizations in the USA are represented, despite their long-term insignificance. Crazy Horse 1876 ( talk) 04:38, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - While the party is not yet official, it already looks like it’s about to be. Keep for now. 65.128.197.189 ( talk) 15:44, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect and Merge content into Donald Trump article. The party hadn't been 100% established, but only announced by Trump. Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 14:49, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Just a minor correction, but Trump never announced the party -- reports from news outlets state that he privately discussed possibly forming a new party, though those same news outlets now report that he abandoned the idea. -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 20:09, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Selective Merge to Donald Trump, this probably deserves a sentence-long mention there. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 23:53, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per reasons mentioned by Crazy Horse 1876, etc. The fact that it's being considered in the first place is pretty notable. (If WP:TOOSOON, then my second choice would be to Merge to the Post-presidency section of " Donald Trump".) Paintspot Infez ( talk) 22:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Donald Trump. If anyone wants to selectively merge content to Trump's article, please feel free to access the content from behind the redirect. Daniel ( talk) 01:13, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Patriot Party (political party)
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While there are news articles about this hypothetical party, I think this is WP:TOOSOON and WP:NOTNEWS - it is based on reports/rumours, and there's been nothing official (yet) - so I don't think it is notable enough to have its own article. If in the future, this becomes official, or there is significant coverage about this, it may warrant an article then; but until that happens, I don't think there should be one now. Seagull123 Φ 16:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Seagull123 Φ 16:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Seagull123 Φ 16:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Seagull123 Φ 16:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I created this article knowing that a nomination for deletion might happen as I just wanted to post some initial info on the topic. Maybe this article should be drafted for now as the info might be useful for the future. X-Editor ( talk) 16:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Here's my
Patriot Party draft page, edit it if you want.
X-Editor (
talk)
16:31, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
X-Editor: if you didn't know about this before, you may find that doing that sort of thing in a
draft or
userspace draft is better in the future.
Seagull123
Φ
16:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @ Seagull123: I've changed it to a draft page. X-Editor ( talk) 16:46, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
X-Editor: if you didn't know about this before, you may find that doing that sort of thing in a
draft or
userspace draft is better in the future.
Seagull123
Φ
16:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment At minimum I think this needs to be moved to a different title, as "(political party)" is not the right identifier. But generally, I do think an article would need to show that something will form, otherwise this is WP:TOOSOON. -- Enos733 ( talk) 16:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
Enos733:
Note: this was moved by
Lee Vilenski from
Patriot Party (Donald Trump) earlier today.
Seagull123
Φ
16:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
Enos733:
- Delete – WP:CRYSTAL. – S. Rich ( talk) 01:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep – Let’s see what happens in the coming days, weeks and months. It could develop in similar and more radical form to the
Tea Party of the previous decade. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
35.143.142.44 (
talk)
01:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Update: “We’ll do something, but not just yet,” Trump told journalist Rob Crilly of the Washington Examiner. (sorry if it’s formatted incorrectly) 35.143.142.44 ( talk) 02:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to Donald Trump, though I would wager this will probably become notable soon. Elliot321 ( talk | contribs) 03:30, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- @ Elliot321: Merging this article with the Donald Trump article would be a good course of action imo. X-Editor ( talk) 04:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete WP:NOTNEWS (and WP:CRYSTAL in response to anon's comment). Trump has made many comments; doesn't mean something will come out of it. Ribbet32 ( talk) 04:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge with Political positions of Donald Trump. The linked page contains a description of DJT's partisan affiliation towards the top, and there is already a reference there to the possibility of creating a Patriot Party. In any case, it is unlikely that this will add significantly more value towards that page, so I lean a bit towards delete. Mikehawk10 ( talk) 07:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to Donald Trump for now. At present it is no more than an idea that it is alleged Mr. Trump has floated in discussions with others. It does not exist in any concrete form, nor has it done anything, ran any candidates or anything else. The concept at best fails not news guidelines among others. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to the main Trump article, nothing more than what would be one of his ranting tweets had he not been suspended. If/when it does happen, the article can be created. Oaktree b ( talk) 14:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. The parenthesis in the name is all wrong, too; see Patriot Party (1960s–1980s), which also existed in the United States. XOR'easter ( talk) 18:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON ChipotleHater ( talk) 02:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:TOOSOON but might well become a thing later on so best to keep the barebones in the history. The C of E God Save the Queen! ( talk) 09:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Strong delete per WP:CRYSTAL. For the most part this article is total speculation and in no way passes WP:GNG. — Czello 10:25, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Don't just delete it yet. We have to wait and find out if the "Patriot Party" rumors are true or not. 11:35, 23 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
2603:8000:2D00:B211:6C87:E37A:9814:5F8B (
talk)
- Why do we? There needs to be proof it's A Thing before there's justification of the article's existence. — Czello 17:54, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON, as others above have argued. -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 17:56, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Multiple news outlets are now reporting that Trump has abandoned the idea: 1, 2 This reinforces what I and others have argued in opposing this article's existence. -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 02:03, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Again Wikipedia editorship is being stupid (in my humble opinion) and looking silly trying to eliminate basic coverage of emerging/new but real things. What is real? At least that "Patriot Party" is a real concept. It is a spectre for some/many. I have myself only just heard of it, i.e. the idea that Trump would form a new party has existed but now it has a name. Let the Wikipedia article cover it, be updated as the concept evolves and as something that looks more like a real party emerges or does not. And, duh, of course, there will be lots and lots and lots and lots of coverage, and it is stupid/silly to stick your head in the sand and deny that. My 2 cents. -- Doncram ( talk) 23:17, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
Doncram: it doesn't even exist yet, though. As the lead says: it is a
hypothetical political party
. Also, even if it were real, its mere existence wouldn't be reason to keep it. Seagull123 Φ 23:31, 24 January 2021 (UTC)- !Voters here, at least some so far and more who will arrive, are stuck on "but it's not a regular/formal political party, it's not real". However, it is real...it has been real for quite a while, it is a thing. What it is though is a concept, a threat of coming into existence, which has already affected a lot of politicians and their choices and real events. And it has been covered, mentioned, discussed in depth even, many times over. You just don't want to accept a newly coined name for it? -- Doncram ( talk) 01:00, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- I haven't seen this term used in any news articles or blogs yet, but it absolutely does exist just like a
fleet in being is a very real force in warfare. Which affects persons and decisions and world events hugely. The existence of the
German battleship Tirpitz in fjords in Norway during World War II was a big deal. Don't tell the United Kingdom that it wasn't real, even though it was not actively sailing out and attacking convoys. Sure, the article should be revised to emphasize that what "it" is is not a real party (yet), and to explain what it is, instead. Pretending it doesn't exist would not have been a good strategy for the United Kingdom, either. --
Doncram (
talk)
01:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- That's not an untrue suggestion, but at this point this is more of a tugboat in being. Political career of Donald Trump is a good place for this until it gets itself a destroyer in being at least. Reywas92 Talk 04:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- @
Doncram: it doesn't even exist yet, though. As the lead says: it is a
- The fleet and the Tirpitz existed and could have been deployed. If they had merely been concepts, the UK would have been much less impressed, i.e., not at all. We don't have to pretend that the party doesn't exist because there is no party. Trump hasn't filed the paperwork, rented an office, hired staff, etc. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 15:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - Per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:TOOSOON. BilCat ( talk) 02:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge to Donald Trump per nom and also per WP:TOOSOON. NaranjaLujosa let's talk! 14:59, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:NOTNEWS and WP:CRYSTAL. Trump floated the idea without taking any steps to found a party and now seems to have abandoned it, per sources cited in comment by 1990'sguy. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 15:39, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete- Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:CRYSTAL, perhaps, as another editor suggested, redirecting to Donald Trump (for now, assuming the party is created). Sarcataclysmal ( talk) 18:26, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete CRYSTAL. Maybe include in a brief paragraph to the Trump article, but not enough for its own yet. Jlevi ( talk) 19:49, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Merge content into Donald Trump article, in the "Post-presidency" section. Whether Trump has or has not abandoned the idea, the fact this was considered is noteworthy. Deleting without merging would be a bad idea. -- Bangalamania ( talk) 19:52, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - Jumping the cannon. GoodDay ( talk) 23:09, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - The party is already in its infantile stages, and it's worth reading the Fox San Antonio article describing the party's legal standing and its purported membership. Even if the party is not necessarily the same one as the one Trump envisioned, it's worth keeping on Wikipedia, just like the small "Conservative Party" organizations in the USA are represented, despite their long-term insignificance. Crazy Horse 1876 ( talk) 04:38, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - While the party is not yet official, it already looks like it’s about to be. Keep for now. 65.128.197.189 ( talk) 15:44, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect and Merge content into Donald Trump article. The party hadn't been 100% established, but only announced by Trump. Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 14:49, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Just a minor correction, but Trump never announced the party -- reports from news outlets state that he privately discussed possibly forming a new party, though those same news outlets now report that he abandoned the idea. -- 1990'sguy ( talk) 20:09, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Selective Merge to Donald Trump, this probably deserves a sentence-long mention there. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 23:53, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per reasons mentioned by Crazy Horse 1876, etc. The fact that it's being considered in the first place is pretty notable. (If WP:TOOSOON, then my second choice would be to Merge to the Post-presidency section of " Donald Trump".) Paintspot Infez ( talk) 22:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.