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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Pathachakra F.C.
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Club that fails WP:NSPORTS and WP:GNG Matthew_hk t c 08:47, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- and seem deleted before: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pathachakra F.C. Matthew_hk t c 08:49, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Matthew_hk t c 08:52, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 09:40, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep This club plays in the third tier of Indian football and I can't believe it isn't a notable organisation. If you search for the club's name in Bengali (পাঠচক্র), it gets over 2,000 Google News hits – I can't tell how many of these are GNG-meeting coverage, but I'd be surprised if there was nothing – we really need a Bengali speaker to advise. Nominating this for deletion without a cursory search in the relevant language is leaning towards WP:SYSTEMATICBIAS. @ GiantSnowman: Don't know if you want to reconsider. Cheers, Number 5 7 17:29, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- So far the current version is no difference with the first AfD discussion (F dot C nodot). Google hit mean nothing, it should be required to be shown in the article for any language source as
WP:verify and they should be non-routine. Just saying stuff not shown on the article may make the club passing
WP:GNG, fails verifiability.
Matthew_hk
t
c 19:03, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- It doesn't seem as if you've followed
WP:BEFORE though – did you check the Bengali sources? If not, how can you claim it fails
WP:GNG?
This news website has a few stories about the club for a start.
Number
5
7 19:23, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- What i only saw similar article title
Pathachakra FC was userfiy to
Draft:Pathachakra FC and then abandoned, while the current version
Pathachakra F.C. may qualify CSD G4 (as the recreation of
Pathachakra F.C). It make no point in an encyclopedia that merely a collection of squad list, as well as lack of user to build a true article with brief club history (even lack of machine translation by google). The current version may survived as a draft by userify again, but club history is not dynamic, squad list is. If people want squad list, google themselves. See also
Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.
Matthew_hk
t
c 19:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- It doesn't qualify for WP:G4 as this is its first AfD. SportingFlyer talk 00:49, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- What i only saw similar article title
Pathachakra FC was userfiy to
Draft:Pathachakra FC and then abandoned, while the current version
Pathachakra F.C. may qualify CSD G4 (as the recreation of
Pathachakra F.C). It make no point in an encyclopedia that merely a collection of squad list, as well as lack of user to build a true article with brief club history (even lack of machine translation by google). The current version may survived as a draft by userify again, but club history is not dynamic, squad list is. If people want squad list, google themselves. See also
Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.
Matthew_hk
t
c 19:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- It doesn't seem as if you've followed
WP:BEFORE though – did you check the Bengali sources? If not, how can you claim it fails
WP:GNG?
This news website has a few stories about the club for a start.
Number
5
7 19:23, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- So far the current version is no difference with the first AfD discussion (F dot C nodot). Google hit mean nothing, it should be required to be shown in the article for any language source as
WP:verify and they should be non-routine. Just saying stuff not shown on the article may make the club passing
WP:GNG, fails verifiability.
Matthew_hk
t
c 19:03, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - This is an annual ritual. Non-notable CFL club pages get created every time CFL rolls around. These pages are almost always created with no reliable sources. CFL is a third-tier league in India, so the club pages may be eligible for notability, but it has to have notability established. Coderzombie ( talk) 02:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 04:41, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Number 57. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 10:41, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Doesn't a third-tier club, by definition, fail WP:FOOTY? Ifnord ( talk) 21:18, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Two opinions for delete, two for keep. I see that more research may need to be done here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Redditaddict 6 9 21:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Two opinions for delete, two for keep. I see that more research may need to be done here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Redditaddict 6 9 21:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Redditaddict 6 9 21:58, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - per Number 57, I think this club is (just) notable enough. Inter&anthro ( talk) 02:17, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 14:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 14:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep don't have time to flesh out the argument at the moment, but a simple before search shows the topic has been covered in several different news sources all covering the Calcutta league. Needs improvement, not deletion, as they say. SportingFlyer talk 06:27, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer talk 00:51, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete-I'm a native Bengali speaker and all the local coverage is centered around CFL and of player sign-ups.Pinging @ Number 57:.Clear-cut NFOOTY failure. ∯WBG converse 17:08, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom and WBG's analysis of the sources, except the link is WP:FOOTYN and not WP:NFOOTY which is just for bios and not the clubs. Shame the project didn't find a less confusing name. I don't understand why @ SportingFlyer: you say it doesn't meet G4 this seems to be exactly the same club as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pathachakra F.C except for the final full stop. Salt as per User:GiantSnowman.-- Dom from Paris ( talk) 23:55, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:24, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Pathachakra F.C.
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- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Club that fails WP:NSPORTS and WP:GNG Matthew_hk t c 08:47, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- and seem deleted before: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pathachakra F.C. Matthew_hk t c 08:49, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Matthew_hk t c 08:52, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 09:40, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep This club plays in the third tier of Indian football and I can't believe it isn't a notable organisation. If you search for the club's name in Bengali (পাঠচক্র), it gets over 2,000 Google News hits – I can't tell how many of these are GNG-meeting coverage, but I'd be surprised if there was nothing – we really need a Bengali speaker to advise. Nominating this for deletion without a cursory search in the relevant language is leaning towards WP:SYSTEMATICBIAS. @ GiantSnowman: Don't know if you want to reconsider. Cheers, Number 5 7 17:29, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- So far the current version is no difference with the first AfD discussion (F dot C nodot). Google hit mean nothing, it should be required to be shown in the article for any language source as
WP:verify and they should be non-routine. Just saying stuff not shown on the article may make the club passing
WP:GNG, fails verifiability.
Matthew_hk
t
c 19:03, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- It doesn't seem as if you've followed
WP:BEFORE though – did you check the Bengali sources? If not, how can you claim it fails
WP:GNG?
This news website has a few stories about the club for a start.
Number
5
7 19:23, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- What i only saw similar article title
Pathachakra FC was userfiy to
Draft:Pathachakra FC and then abandoned, while the current version
Pathachakra F.C. may qualify CSD G4 (as the recreation of
Pathachakra F.C). It make no point in an encyclopedia that merely a collection of squad list, as well as lack of user to build a true article with brief club history (even lack of machine translation by google). The current version may survived as a draft by userify again, but club history is not dynamic, squad list is. If people want squad list, google themselves. See also
Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.
Matthew_hk
t
c 19:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- It doesn't qualify for WP:G4 as this is its first AfD. SportingFlyer talk 00:49, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- What i only saw similar article title
Pathachakra FC was userfiy to
Draft:Pathachakra FC and then abandoned, while the current version
Pathachakra F.C. may qualify CSD G4 (as the recreation of
Pathachakra F.C). It make no point in an encyclopedia that merely a collection of squad list, as well as lack of user to build a true article with brief club history (even lack of machine translation by google). The current version may survived as a draft by userify again, but club history is not dynamic, squad list is. If people want squad list, google themselves. See also
Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.
Matthew_hk
t
c 19:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- It doesn't seem as if you've followed
WP:BEFORE though – did you check the Bengali sources? If not, how can you claim it fails
WP:GNG?
This news website has a few stories about the club for a start.
Number
5
7 19:23, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- So far the current version is no difference with the first AfD discussion (F dot C nodot). Google hit mean nothing, it should be required to be shown in the article for any language source as
WP:verify and they should be non-routine. Just saying stuff not shown on the article may make the club passing
WP:GNG, fails verifiability.
Matthew_hk
t
c 19:03, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - This is an annual ritual. Non-notable CFL club pages get created every time CFL rolls around. These pages are almost always created with no reliable sources. CFL is a third-tier league in India, so the club pages may be eligible for notability, but it has to have notability established. Coderzombie ( talk) 02:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 04:41, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Number 57. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 10:41, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Doesn't a third-tier club, by definition, fail WP:FOOTY? Ifnord ( talk) 21:18, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Two opinions for delete, two for keep. I see that more research may need to be done here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Redditaddict 6 9 21:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Two opinions for delete, two for keep. I see that more research may need to be done here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Redditaddict 6 9 21:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Redditaddict 6 9 21:58, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - per Number 57, I think this club is (just) notable enough. Inter&anthro ( talk) 02:17, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 14:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 14:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
- Keep don't have time to flesh out the argument at the moment, but a simple before search shows the topic has been covered in several different news sources all covering the Calcutta league. Needs improvement, not deletion, as they say. SportingFlyer talk 06:27, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. SportingFlyer talk 00:51, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete-I'm a native Bengali speaker and all the local coverage is centered around CFL and of player sign-ups.Pinging @ Number 57:.Clear-cut NFOOTY failure. ∯WBG converse 17:08, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom and WBG's analysis of the sources, except the link is WP:FOOTYN and not WP:NFOOTY which is just for bios and not the clubs. Shame the project didn't find a less confusing name. I don't understand why @ SportingFlyer: you say it doesn't meet G4 this seems to be exactly the same club as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pathachakra F.C except for the final full stop. Salt as per User:GiantSnowman.-- Dom from Paris ( talk) 23:55, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.