The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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This is part of a series of articles about individual episodes of a Vietnamese variety program known as
Paris By Night. I am nominating it for deletion because it does not include any reliable third-party sources and makes no claim of independent notability. See also the previous AfDs for
Paris By Night 70 and
Paris By Night 106. Contested PROD.
eh bien mon prince (
talk) 10:24, 15 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose - plentiful sources exist in Vietnamese, and the series itself is heavily discussed in English sources. These films/concerts... not really simply a TV series, but a series of programs of the best known Vietnamese overseas show, are also notable back in Vietnam where they are emblematic of overseas Vietnamese culture (and lost pre-1975 South Vietnamese culture). These shows are heavily entwined with artist/songwriter/song/actor bios. How is Wikipedia improved by deleting them?
In ictu oculi (
talk) 04:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)reply
This discussion is about the notability of this specific episode, not the entire series. Can you provide evidence that it passes
WP:GNG? If not, it should be deleted; it's not enough to just say "
plentiful sources exist".--
eh bien mon prince (
talk) 05:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)reply
The notability of the
Paris By Night show doesn't mean its 105th episode should have its own article, since
notability is inherited. The notability for individual episodes is determined by their coverage in reliable, third party sources, and so far the article has none of them. Unless this changes, the article should be deleted as non-notable.--
eh bien mon prince (
talk) 05:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Then perhaps i should be adding refs to forum after forum thread that talk about PBN 105, if forum posts are even considered RS.
Nguyễn Quốc Việt (
talk) 07:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)reply
They're not, as with all other self-published sources, including blogs, wikis and personal websites.--
eh bien mon prince (
talk) 14:19, 18 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Mark Arsten (
talk) 01:34, 1 February 2014 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
This is part of a series of articles about individual episodes of a Vietnamese variety program known as
Paris By Night. I am nominating it for deletion because it does not include any reliable third-party sources and makes no claim of independent notability. See also the previous AfDs for
Paris By Night 70 and
Paris By Night 106. Contested PROD.
eh bien mon prince (
talk) 10:24, 15 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose - plentiful sources exist in Vietnamese, and the series itself is heavily discussed in English sources. These films/concerts... not really simply a TV series, but a series of programs of the best known Vietnamese overseas show, are also notable back in Vietnam where they are emblematic of overseas Vietnamese culture (and lost pre-1975 South Vietnamese culture). These shows are heavily entwined with artist/songwriter/song/actor bios. How is Wikipedia improved by deleting them?
In ictu oculi (
talk) 04:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)reply
This discussion is about the notability of this specific episode, not the entire series. Can you provide evidence that it passes
WP:GNG? If not, it should be deleted; it's not enough to just say "
plentiful sources exist".--
eh bien mon prince (
talk) 05:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)reply
The notability of the
Paris By Night show doesn't mean its 105th episode should have its own article, since
notability is inherited. The notability for individual episodes is determined by their coverage in reliable, third party sources, and so far the article has none of them. Unless this changes, the article should be deleted as non-notable.--
eh bien mon prince (
talk) 05:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Then perhaps i should be adding refs to forum after forum thread that talk about PBN 105, if forum posts are even considered RS.
Nguyễn Quốc Việt (
talk) 07:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)reply
They're not, as with all other self-published sources, including blogs, wikis and personal websites.--
eh bien mon prince (
talk) 14:19, 18 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Mark Arsten (
talk) 01:34, 1 February 2014 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.