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The result was redirect to Paris_By_Night#List_of_episodes. ...as with the others slakr\ talk / 13:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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This is part of a series of articles about individual episodes of a Vietnamese variety program known as Paris By Night. I am nominating it for deletion because it does not include any reliable third-party sources and makes no claim of independent notability. See also the previous AfDs for Paris By Night 70 and Paris By Night 106. Contested PROD. eh bien mon prince ( talk) 10:24, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose - plentiful sources exist in Vietnamese, and the series itself is heavily discussed in English sources. These films/concerts... not really simply a TV series, but a series of programs of the best known Vietnamese overseas show, are also notable back in Vietnam where they are emblematic of overseas Vietnamese culture (and lost pre-1975 South Vietnamese culture). These shows are heavily entwined with artist/songwriter/song/actor bios. How is Wikipedia improved by deleting them?
In ictu oculi (
talk) 04:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- This discussion is about the notability of this specific episode, not the entire series. Can you provide evidence that it passes WP:GNG? If not, it should be deleted; it's not enough to just say " plentiful sources exist".-- eh bien mon prince ( talk) 05:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- Plentiful sources exist in Vietnamese, and since the composition of each show varies, each is notable Google. In any case more than exist for Now That's What I Call Music! 49 (U.S. series) or for episodes of US TV shows In ictu oculi ( talk) 06:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose - the Paris By Night show series is one of the most popular and well-known Vietnamese programs, overseas and inside Vietnam, and widely sold, so it is the complete opposite of "lacking notability". Paris By Night forms and crucial part of Vietnamese music and culture, to the point that there's a saying that
"a bottle of fish sauce, a bowl of pho and Paris By Night—that’s the epitome of the Vietnamese family".
Nguyễn Quốc Việt (
talk) 05:53, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- The notability of the Paris By Night show doesn't mean its 105th episode should have its own article, since notability is inherited. The notability for individual episodes is determined by their coverage in reliable, third party sources, and so far the article has none of them. Unless this changes, the article should be deleted as non-notable.-- eh bien mon prince ( talk) 05:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- Then perhaps i should be adding refs to forum after forum thread that talk about PBN 105, if forum posts are even considered RS.
Nguyễn Quốc Việt (
talk) 07:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- They're not, as with all other self-published sources, including blogs, wikis and personal websites.--
eh bien mon prince (
talk) 14:19, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I know that... Nguyễn Quốc Việt ( talk) 00:52, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- They're not, as with all other self-published sources, including blogs, wikis and personal websites.--
eh bien mon prince (
talk) 14:19, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Paris_By_Night#List_of_episodes. ...as with the others slakr\ talk / 13:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
- Paris By Night 105 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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This is part of a series of articles about individual episodes of a Vietnamese variety program known as Paris By Night. I am nominating it for deletion because it does not include any reliable third-party sources and makes no claim of independent notability. See also the previous AfDs for Paris By Night 70 and Paris By Night 106. Contested PROD. eh bien mon prince ( talk) 10:24, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose - plentiful sources exist in Vietnamese, and the series itself is heavily discussed in English sources. These films/concerts... not really simply a TV series, but a series of programs of the best known Vietnamese overseas show, are also notable back in Vietnam where they are emblematic of overseas Vietnamese culture (and lost pre-1975 South Vietnamese culture). These shows are heavily entwined with artist/songwriter/song/actor bios. How is Wikipedia improved by deleting them?
In ictu oculi (
talk) 04:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- This discussion is about the notability of this specific episode, not the entire series. Can you provide evidence that it passes WP:GNG? If not, it should be deleted; it's not enough to just say " plentiful sources exist".-- eh bien mon prince ( talk) 05:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- Plentiful sources exist in Vietnamese, and since the composition of each show varies, each is notable Google. In any case more than exist for Now That's What I Call Music! 49 (U.S. series) or for episodes of US TV shows In ictu oculi ( talk) 06:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose - the Paris By Night show series is one of the most popular and well-known Vietnamese programs, overseas and inside Vietnam, and widely sold, so it is the complete opposite of "lacking notability". Paris By Night forms and crucial part of Vietnamese music and culture, to the point that there's a saying that
"a bottle of fish sauce, a bowl of pho and Paris By Night—that’s the epitome of the Vietnamese family".
Nguyễn Quốc Việt (
talk) 05:53, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- The notability of the Paris By Night show doesn't mean its 105th episode should have its own article, since notability is inherited. The notability for individual episodes is determined by their coverage in reliable, third party sources, and so far the article has none of them. Unless this changes, the article should be deleted as non-notable.-- eh bien mon prince ( talk) 05:28, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- Then perhaps i should be adding refs to forum after forum thread that talk about PBN 105, if forum posts are even considered RS.
Nguyễn Quốc Việt (
talk) 07:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- They're not, as with all other self-published sources, including blogs, wikis and personal websites.--
eh bien mon prince (
talk) 14:19, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I know that... Nguyễn Quốc Việt ( talk) 00:52, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- They're not, as with all other self-published sources, including blogs, wikis and personal websites.--
eh bien mon prince (
talk) 14:19, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Vietnam-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:14, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000 (talk) 17:45, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten ( talk) 01:34, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
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