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The result was delete. There is essentially no support for the present title. Arguments to keep and move are undercut by the virtual absence of sources discussing this topic as a topic presented here, and so there is a consensus to delete. This does not preclude an article about this topic based on new sources, or on ones not discussed here. Vanamonde (
Talk)16:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)reply
This article is built upon an incredible amount of
synthesis. The references DO NOT provide evidence for the existence of any current intifada. These references are mostly articles using it as a buzzword (for example, see the first Ynet citation). Using a word from here and there to support the existence of an event even though there is no consensus among sources that actually proves that event is occurring, is by definition
WP:SYNTHESIS.
Nythar (
š¬-āļø)
23:32, 26 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment - I'm not quite sure why some users here want to move the article. Violence has been taking place in that region for decades, and these random attacks and gunfights are not out of the ordinary. There has been continuous violence. There is no "wave". We could name this article
2022āpresent wave of violence in IsraeliāPalestinian conflict, but what about the
2021 IsraelāPalestine crisis? That took place just a few months before this. It's quite obvious that there's no wave of violence. Before making the claim that this is out of the ordinary and that it's a "wave" (which is
synthesis if unsourced), please prove all this. I'd like to see that 1-year period of 100% peace.
Nythar (
š¬-āļø)
10:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Sir, does this Hebrew article provide more details than the English one? It is very hard to judge otherwise whether this incident is notable on its own.
From what I am reading in the article, it is a somewhat regular pattern of violence in the region, which does not warrant a separate mention. We can't describe every instance that took place over the course of its history. And the article for "2022-present" wave doesn't exist, which would be equal to creating an article anew if this piece were to be moved there. My impression:
Delete The Hebrew WP is about an Israeli military operation called Breakwater or Breaking the Wave, the Jerusalem Post reports arrests of Palestinians (every day) as being part of it (along with anything else that the IDF do). The flip side would be Palestinian violence, Lions Den, Jenin Brigades, attacks on the IDF/Israelis etcetera. This is jumping the gun, there is no Intifada yet, when there is, we will know about it, all there is atm is steadily increasing violence over recent times dating back to more or less (not exactly) the same time as the Wave Breaking business began and getting somewhat worse since the Israeli elections.
Selfstudier (
talk)
16:17, 27 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment Clearly the article title is poor. But it seems clear that that this running sore is entering a new and even uglier phase, with (for example) some blowhard in Bibi's cabinet calling for the erasure of a Palestinian village, and, remarkably, criticism of israili action from the US government.
TheLongTone (
talk)
15:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Move to
2022ā2023 wave of violence in the Israeli Palestinian conflict. I've done a little literature overview, and found only one article,
published two days ago which speaks generally on recent events. IMO it is a good summary (a very general one). There is a problem that there is only one such article, and the rest of the sources refer to specific events. Just like us, even the article itself fails to come up with a short description, let alone title for the events, calling it an "intensification of violence", "period of violence", "cycle of violence". The article states:
While the starting point is debatable, it began to escalate in March 2022. In a period of days, Israel was rocked by a series of deadly Palestinian attacks and the Israeli military launched an open-ended operation in the West Bank in response, resulting in near nightly raids into the occupied territories.
Attempting to mark the beginning of a flare-up in a crisis that stretches back over generations is a near-impossible task. Still, current tensions have risen since last spring, when the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) launched Operation Breakwater ā one of its most extensive campaigns outside wartime ā after a surge in Palestinian knife and gun attacks.
A series of fatal attacks by Palestinians on Israelis last year prompted a sweeping Israeli military campaign dubbed Operation Breakwater, beginning March 31. Since then, nearly every day, Israel has conducted raids in the Israeli-occupied West Bank to arrest suspected militants and round up weapons. Nearly every week, Palestinians have been killed.
Comment, as the article was poorly sourced and based on
WP:SYNTH, I took the liberty to remove all unsourced material and re-write the lead section based on the three sources above.--
Bolter21(
talk to me)14:54, 4 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete. There have been some indications to this effect (mentioned above) but there is no wide agreement that a third intifada or a particularly increased level of hostilities is ongoing. There have been some incidents and these have been covered elsewhere. There is also an open-ended IDF operation that theoretically could receive its own article, however, this article is not particularly focused on it, so rename is not a good recommendation. As the title and the content are confusing delete is the best way forward.
gidonb (
talk)
03:27, 9 March 2023 (UTC)reply
For the record: the concern with a simple move is
WP:POV,
WP:SYNTH,
WP:OR. As an encyclopedia we follow the media/academic consensus and do not lead it based on a few sources, relevant or not.
gidonb (
talk)
12:49, 9 March 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. There is essentially no support for the present title. Arguments to keep and move are undercut by the virtual absence of sources discussing this topic as a topic presented here, and so there is a consensus to delete. This does not preclude an article about this topic based on new sources, or on ones not discussed here. Vanamonde (
Talk)16:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)reply
This article is built upon an incredible amount of
synthesis. The references DO NOT provide evidence for the existence of any current intifada. These references are mostly articles using it as a buzzword (for example, see the first Ynet citation). Using a word from here and there to support the existence of an event even though there is no consensus among sources that actually proves that event is occurring, is by definition
WP:SYNTHESIS.
Nythar (
š¬-āļø)
23:32, 26 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment - I'm not quite sure why some users here want to move the article. Violence has been taking place in that region for decades, and these random attacks and gunfights are not out of the ordinary. There has been continuous violence. There is no "wave". We could name this article
2022āpresent wave of violence in IsraeliāPalestinian conflict, but what about the
2021 IsraelāPalestine crisis? That took place just a few months before this. It's quite obvious that there's no wave of violence. Before making the claim that this is out of the ordinary and that it's a "wave" (which is
synthesis if unsourced), please prove all this. I'd like to see that 1-year period of 100% peace.
Nythar (
š¬-āļø)
10:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Sir, does this Hebrew article provide more details than the English one? It is very hard to judge otherwise whether this incident is notable on its own.
From what I am reading in the article, it is a somewhat regular pattern of violence in the region, which does not warrant a separate mention. We can't describe every instance that took place over the course of its history. And the article for "2022-present" wave doesn't exist, which would be equal to creating an article anew if this piece were to be moved there. My impression:
Delete The Hebrew WP is about an Israeli military operation called Breakwater or Breaking the Wave, the Jerusalem Post reports arrests of Palestinians (every day) as being part of it (along with anything else that the IDF do). The flip side would be Palestinian violence, Lions Den, Jenin Brigades, attacks on the IDF/Israelis etcetera. This is jumping the gun, there is no Intifada yet, when there is, we will know about it, all there is atm is steadily increasing violence over recent times dating back to more or less (not exactly) the same time as the Wave Breaking business began and getting somewhat worse since the Israeli elections.
Selfstudier (
talk)
16:17, 27 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment Clearly the article title is poor. But it seems clear that that this running sore is entering a new and even uglier phase, with (for example) some blowhard in Bibi's cabinet calling for the erasure of a Palestinian village, and, remarkably, criticism of israili action from the US government.
TheLongTone (
talk)
15:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Move to
2022ā2023 wave of violence in the Israeli Palestinian conflict. I've done a little literature overview, and found only one article,
published two days ago which speaks generally on recent events. IMO it is a good summary (a very general one). There is a problem that there is only one such article, and the rest of the sources refer to specific events. Just like us, even the article itself fails to come up with a short description, let alone title for the events, calling it an "intensification of violence", "period of violence", "cycle of violence". The article states:
While the starting point is debatable, it began to escalate in March 2022. In a period of days, Israel was rocked by a series of deadly Palestinian attacks and the Israeli military launched an open-ended operation in the West Bank in response, resulting in near nightly raids into the occupied territories.
Attempting to mark the beginning of a flare-up in a crisis that stretches back over generations is a near-impossible task. Still, current tensions have risen since last spring, when the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) launched Operation Breakwater ā one of its most extensive campaigns outside wartime ā after a surge in Palestinian knife and gun attacks.
A series of fatal attacks by Palestinians on Israelis last year prompted a sweeping Israeli military campaign dubbed Operation Breakwater, beginning March 31. Since then, nearly every day, Israel has conducted raids in the Israeli-occupied West Bank to arrest suspected militants and round up weapons. Nearly every week, Palestinians have been killed.
Comment, as the article was poorly sourced and based on
WP:SYNTH, I took the liberty to remove all unsourced material and re-write the lead section based on the three sources above.--
Bolter21(
talk to me)14:54, 4 March 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete. There have been some indications to this effect (mentioned above) but there is no wide agreement that a third intifada or a particularly increased level of hostilities is ongoing. There have been some incidents and these have been covered elsewhere. There is also an open-ended IDF operation that theoretically could receive its own article, however, this article is not particularly focused on it, so rename is not a good recommendation. As the title and the content are confusing delete is the best way forward.
gidonb (
talk)
03:27, 9 March 2023 (UTC)reply
For the record: the concern with a simple move is
WP:POV,
WP:SYNTH,
WP:OR. As an encyclopedia we follow the media/academic consensus and do not lead it based on a few sources, relevant or not.
gidonb (
talk)
12:49, 9 March 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.