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The result was keep. Sandstein 17:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Oromo migrations

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It is a preach that depends directly or indirectly on Bahrey's book "The history of Galla ( Oromo" as the article itself claim. Though several authorities, Abyssinians and Oromo oral history indicated that the Oromo were in fact in the North-eastern part of the continent even before the arrival of the Habasha, the book continued to be used to lay claim Oromo migrated to Abyssinia(Ethiopia). Read the story by non oromo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dotohelp ( talk • contribs) 14:02, November 7, 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose deletion: The article is not just based on Bahrey, but on at least four reputable secondary sources mentioned in the article. They make use of Bahrey's book, being the only contemporary source of the subject matter, but they treat it in an indisputably scholarly way. Therefore the article is not propagating a hoax, but a subject matter that is seriously discussed in the literature on Ethiopian history. By all means the article can use improvement, but a deletion is not justified. Landroving Linguist ( talk) 22:22, 7 November 2019 (UTC) reply

@ Landroving Linguist: Word by word what article say is "a 16th-century an ethnic Gamo monk named Bahrey is the foremost source on the migrations". Glad you mentioned the other sources also use his book. The book which starts by saying "I have begun to write the history of the Oromo in order to make known the number of their tribes, their readiness to kill people, and the brutality of their manners.", questioning his point of view. Unlike you said it cannot be improved for several reasons.

• There are no many source especially which did not depend on the book.
• Oromia Culture and Tourism Bureau published the "Oromo history before 16th century" book to stop the "hoax".
• No one believe this due to its contradictory to the oral history.
• It was mentioned in Oromo people. So it did not need to be merged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dotohelp ( talk • contribs) 07:32, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

• Comment This discussion page was created without the {{ afd2}} template and never transcluded to a daily log. Fixed now--I have no opinion on the nomination itself at this time. @ Dotohelp: If you wish to nominate other articles for deletion in the future, please fully follow the procedures at WP:AFDHOWTO. Thank you. -- Finngall ^talk 15:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethiopia-related deletion discussions. -- Finngall ^talk 15:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

• Keep - Subject is notable. There are many citations to be found online via Google and JSTOR. It seems the OP did not do a WP:BEFORE. Netherzone ( talk) 21:59, 9 December 2019 (UTC) reply

@ Netherzone: Using Bahrey as a source, Many citations were created. There is no more book written at the time or no evidence in oral tradition. User:dotohelp ( talk)

• Keep Nomination is essentially an argument against a point of view the nominator disagrees with. This is not a valid reason for nominating for deletion. The documented existence of academic debate on the subject is clear evidence of notability. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 02:31, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 05:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC) reply

• Comment - I am not convinced yet about the notability of this article. If this migration was notable enough like the Bantu expansion, I would have expected several sources disccussing it. Why are there only 3 sources one of which questionable? Most of the content in this article relies on Pankhurst, and as we all know, a single source does not help with notability. I will vote keep if there are more RS especially for the size of this article. Senegambianamestudy ( talk)
• Keep. The original homeland of the Oromo is a matter of dispute, but the migrations of the 16th century are not. See Mohammed Hassen The Oromo and the Christian Kingdom of Ethiopia: 1300–1700. He avoids the word "migration", preferring "movement". Same thing. Srnec ( talk) 01:57, 17 December 2019 (UTC) reply

@ Srnec: Oromo movement is not the dispute as Adal Sultanate and Christian Kingdom fight but the migration is. According to Mohammed Hassen, Oromo moved to south(Hadiya, dawaro ... are south relative to mada walabu) not from south. The migration we are talking is the claim Oromo migrated from southern Ethiopia Borana and Guji zones into more northerly regions of Ethiopia, which is with less and conflicting evidence. As Somali account show, Oromo moved to somalia from the northern areas of Hargeisa to its southern portions such as Lower Juba in 16th century. The proceedings of the First International Congress of Somali Studies The Guji tradition also claims that the Guji were forced to move southward to the present day because of the attack by the Christian army. User:dotohelp ( talk)

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