The result was keep. Stifle ( talk) 15:10, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
This was kept nine months ago in the wake of some pretty significant contributions from the editor of the site. The article shows a lot of references, but still lacks multiple substantive reliable sources to establish notability or even really much of an article sourced to third parties at all. In the 9 months since the keep, it has not received any obvious new coverage, and the existing coverage is almost entirely limited to a local news piece from near the editor's hometown. This article clearly doesn't meet our inclusion standards and should be deleted just as we would nay other self-published site that only received local coverage. Thargor Orlando ( talk) 14:32, 9 February 2015 (UTC) Thargor Orlando ( talk) 14:32, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
:::: MichaelQSchmidt ( talk · contribs) has done outstanding work on the article, which now looks much better than the deleted version.
- Vacate closure and permit recreation.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OpEdNews (2nd nomination) was correctly decided in August 2013 because at the time of deletion, no reliable sources were cited in the article and none were mentioned in the AfD debate.
Vacate closure because I have found two reliable sources that provide significant coverage of OpEdNews:
Analysis of the two articles
- http://docs.newsbank.com/s/InfoWeb/aggdocs/AWNB/1173106EF98EC1A8/0D7C12F5A8A2A86A WebCite – titled "Bucks Web site grabs piece of the online news market: The highly traveled opednews.com joins the ranks of a growing Web news base", this The Intelligencer (Doylestown, Pennsylvania) article provides in-depth substantial coverage of OpEdNews.
Author Theresa Katalinas discussed how OpEdNews was launched on February 28, 2003. She wrote that in 2007, OpEdNews had 500,000 visitors a month, a total of 7 million hits, "a bare-bones operation" operated in a "small college student apartment turned office in Newtown Township", 4,500 registered members, 25 volunteer editors, and 500 regular writers.
Katalinas further noted that OpEdNews in 2007 had an "arsenal of tongue-in-cheek blog entries, editorials, political articles and countless anti-Bush opinion pieces".
- http://www.financialexpress.com/story-print/457709 WebCite – titled "What the world is reading", Asavari Singh's May 2009 The Financial Express (India) article provides a paragraph of coverage about OpEdNews:
Singh referred to OpEdNews as "[a]n award-winning political blog" that calls itself "the drudge report for progressives".Opednews.com
An award-winning political blog that refers to itself as the “the drudge report for progressives”, Opednews has a lengthy section devoted to the swine flu pandemic. The dozens of features range from the latest news to well-considered analyses of the subject (such as “The Real Swine Flu Conspiracy” by neuroscientist John R Moffett) to surreal meanderings like the “Quoth the Pig” series, which uses multimedia and text to ‘express’ the poetic anguish of the much-maligned creature. However, for those who want to hear it straight from the hog’s mouth, satirist Allan Goldstein’s “Swine Flu Hate Speech” is a must-read. He puts himself in the trotters of an indignant pig who proselytises against the “racially” insulting “S word” but with a stoic acceptance of his value in the food chain. “We are being blamed for a virus that has yet to be detected in a single one of our members. Pigs by the million have been slaughtered to no purpose. Good bacon is going to waste.”He noted that OpEdNews provided in-depth coverage of the swine flu epidemic through "dozens of features". Those features take the form of the "latest news" and "well-considered analyses" and "surreal meanderings". Singh discussed a particular piece by satirist Allan Goldstein whose "Swine Flu Hate Speech" is called a "must-read".
Katalinas' article provides roughly 700 words of coverage of OpEdNews. This is substantial coverage.
Singh's piece consists of 165 words about OpEdNews and its coverage of the swine flu epidemic in 2009. It also provides significant coverage of OpEdNews.
These two articles allow OpEdNews to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which says "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list."
Mentions of OpEdNews in other reliable sources
OpEdNews is also mentioned in other reliable sources. I list them here for completeness for improving the article, but I explicitly note that I am not using them to argue that OpEdNews passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline:
- http://docs.newsbank.com/s/InfoWeb/aggdocs/AWNB/0F9FF58EA8711C82/0D7C12F5A8A2A86A WebCite – this article by Ed Weiner of Philadelphia Daily News says: "Homegrown (Newtown, Pa.) OpEdNews runs news stories and sharply smart anti-war/anti-Bush opinion pieces; someone's called it the Drudge Report for people who think."
- http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/ci_11131915 WebCite – Oakland Tribune article: "Stillwater's pieces appear on her blog and on the Web site OpEdNews, which according to an e-mail from editor Rob Kall has 700,000 unique visitors in 200 countries each month."
- http://newsitem.com/opinion/former-editor-sues-philadelphia-1.1208520 WebCite – The News-Item article: "A former managing editor for the online newspaper, OpEdNews, has filed suit against the city of Philadelphia and eight of its police officers, accusing them of violating her constitutional rights."
- http://articles.philly.com/2011-10-07/news/30253631_1_police-officer-videotape-violent-arrests WebCite – Philadelphia Media Network article: "In another case Cheryl Biren-Wright, a former managing editor for OpEdNews, was arrested while photographing a protest two years ago outside the Franklin Mills Mall."
- http://www.stltoday.com/business/planting-cyber-seeds-monsanto-s-blog-started-last-month-is/article_00373658-1082-59e4-a4bc-e1088e587792.html WebCite – St. Louis Post-Dispatch article: "Just last week, Monsanto made a splash at OpEdNews.com. The company cross-posted three of its blog posts on the liberal website. Also last week, the site's editor and publisher, Robb Kall, posted a poll for readers asking them if the company should be allowed to cross-post its blog entries."
- http://docs.newsbank.com/s/InfoWeb/aggdocs/AWNB/117CE0758494F940/0D7C12F5A8A2A86A WebCite – this Bucks County Courier Times piece discusses OpEdNews founder Rob Kall.
Experienced editor MichaelQSchmidt ( talk · contribs) wrote in an edit summary at User:MichaelQSchmidt/workspace/OEN: "OEN. When improved enough, will request a return and hist merge". I have contacted Michael, asking him to work on the article with Robkall ( talk · contribs). The userspace draft User:Robkall/OpEdNews requires significant work to conform to Wikipedia's neutrality policy and verifiability policy, time which I am unable to provide at the moment. Cunard ( talk) 09:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Cunard ( talk) 07:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material.
The result was keep. Stifle ( talk) 15:10, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
This was kept nine months ago in the wake of some pretty significant contributions from the editor of the site. The article shows a lot of references, but still lacks multiple substantive reliable sources to establish notability or even really much of an article sourced to third parties at all. In the 9 months since the keep, it has not received any obvious new coverage, and the existing coverage is almost entirely limited to a local news piece from near the editor's hometown. This article clearly doesn't meet our inclusion standards and should be deleted just as we would nay other self-published site that only received local coverage. Thargor Orlando ( talk) 14:32, 9 February 2015 (UTC) Thargor Orlando ( talk) 14:32, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
:::: MichaelQSchmidt ( talk · contribs) has done outstanding work on the article, which now looks much better than the deleted version.
- Vacate closure and permit recreation.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OpEdNews (2nd nomination) was correctly decided in August 2013 because at the time of deletion, no reliable sources were cited in the article and none were mentioned in the AfD debate.
Vacate closure because I have found two reliable sources that provide significant coverage of OpEdNews:
Analysis of the two articles
- http://docs.newsbank.com/s/InfoWeb/aggdocs/AWNB/1173106EF98EC1A8/0D7C12F5A8A2A86A WebCite – titled "Bucks Web site grabs piece of the online news market: The highly traveled opednews.com joins the ranks of a growing Web news base", this The Intelligencer (Doylestown, Pennsylvania) article provides in-depth substantial coverage of OpEdNews.
Author Theresa Katalinas discussed how OpEdNews was launched on February 28, 2003. She wrote that in 2007, OpEdNews had 500,000 visitors a month, a total of 7 million hits, "a bare-bones operation" operated in a "small college student apartment turned office in Newtown Township", 4,500 registered members, 25 volunteer editors, and 500 regular writers.
Katalinas further noted that OpEdNews in 2007 had an "arsenal of tongue-in-cheek blog entries, editorials, political articles and countless anti-Bush opinion pieces".
- http://www.financialexpress.com/story-print/457709 WebCite – titled "What the world is reading", Asavari Singh's May 2009 The Financial Express (India) article provides a paragraph of coverage about OpEdNews:
Singh referred to OpEdNews as "[a]n award-winning political blog" that calls itself "the drudge report for progressives".Opednews.com
An award-winning political blog that refers to itself as the “the drudge report for progressives”, Opednews has a lengthy section devoted to the swine flu pandemic. The dozens of features range from the latest news to well-considered analyses of the subject (such as “The Real Swine Flu Conspiracy” by neuroscientist John R Moffett) to surreal meanderings like the “Quoth the Pig” series, which uses multimedia and text to ‘express’ the poetic anguish of the much-maligned creature. However, for those who want to hear it straight from the hog’s mouth, satirist Allan Goldstein’s “Swine Flu Hate Speech” is a must-read. He puts himself in the trotters of an indignant pig who proselytises against the “racially” insulting “S word” but with a stoic acceptance of his value in the food chain. “We are being blamed for a virus that has yet to be detected in a single one of our members. Pigs by the million have been slaughtered to no purpose. Good bacon is going to waste.”He noted that OpEdNews provided in-depth coverage of the swine flu epidemic through "dozens of features". Those features take the form of the "latest news" and "well-considered analyses" and "surreal meanderings". Singh discussed a particular piece by satirist Allan Goldstein whose "Swine Flu Hate Speech" is called a "must-read".
Katalinas' article provides roughly 700 words of coverage of OpEdNews. This is substantial coverage.
Singh's piece consists of 165 words about OpEdNews and its coverage of the swine flu epidemic in 2009. It also provides significant coverage of OpEdNews.
These two articles allow OpEdNews to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which says "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list."
Mentions of OpEdNews in other reliable sources
OpEdNews is also mentioned in other reliable sources. I list them here for completeness for improving the article, but I explicitly note that I am not using them to argue that OpEdNews passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline:
- http://docs.newsbank.com/s/InfoWeb/aggdocs/AWNB/0F9FF58EA8711C82/0D7C12F5A8A2A86A WebCite – this article by Ed Weiner of Philadelphia Daily News says: "Homegrown (Newtown, Pa.) OpEdNews runs news stories and sharply smart anti-war/anti-Bush opinion pieces; someone's called it the Drudge Report for people who think."
- http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/ci_11131915 WebCite – Oakland Tribune article: "Stillwater's pieces appear on her blog and on the Web site OpEdNews, which according to an e-mail from editor Rob Kall has 700,000 unique visitors in 200 countries each month."
- http://newsitem.com/opinion/former-editor-sues-philadelphia-1.1208520 WebCite – The News-Item article: "A former managing editor for the online newspaper, OpEdNews, has filed suit against the city of Philadelphia and eight of its police officers, accusing them of violating her constitutional rights."
- http://articles.philly.com/2011-10-07/news/30253631_1_police-officer-videotape-violent-arrests WebCite – Philadelphia Media Network article: "In another case Cheryl Biren-Wright, a former managing editor for OpEdNews, was arrested while photographing a protest two years ago outside the Franklin Mills Mall."
- http://www.stltoday.com/business/planting-cyber-seeds-monsanto-s-blog-started-last-month-is/article_00373658-1082-59e4-a4bc-e1088e587792.html WebCite – St. Louis Post-Dispatch article: "Just last week, Monsanto made a splash at OpEdNews.com. The company cross-posted three of its blog posts on the liberal website. Also last week, the site's editor and publisher, Robb Kall, posted a poll for readers asking them if the company should be allowed to cross-post its blog entries."
- http://docs.newsbank.com/s/InfoWeb/aggdocs/AWNB/117CE0758494F940/0D7C12F5A8A2A86A WebCite – this Bucks County Courier Times piece discusses OpEdNews founder Rob Kall.
Experienced editor MichaelQSchmidt ( talk · contribs) wrote in an edit summary at User:MichaelQSchmidt/workspace/OEN: "OEN. When improved enough, will request a return and hist merge". I have contacted Michael, asking him to work on the article with Robkall ( talk · contribs). The userspace draft User:Robkall/OpEdNews requires significant work to conform to Wikipedia's neutrality policy and verifiability policy, time which I am unable to provide at the moment. Cunard ( talk) 09:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Cunard ( talk) 07:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material.