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The result was keep. Daniel ( talk) 22:08, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Objectivist periodicals
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:INDEPENDENT. This article is half about a list of periodicals that Ayn Rand wrote for, and the other half is about periodicals written by people who endorse her philosophy. All sources listed in this article that are used to make statements about periodics that Rand worked in are written by people who have worked in these periodicals and/or were friends of Rand herself before she died. Here are some examples:
- Robert Hessen wrote for two of such periodicals, according to Hessen's article
- Barbara Branden has worked for two of such periodicals, according to the article
- Anne Heller was a personal friend of Rand before she died.
- Leonard Peikoff was also a friend of Rand
- Jennifer Burns seems to be the only person here who is independent of the subject.
All the other periodicals that were published independently of Rand are clearly not notable, given the poor sourcing. SparklyNights 20:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Philosophy, Libertarianism, Organizations, and Politics. SparklyNights 20:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- An initial question for
User:SparklyNights: The preface to Heller's biography of Rand says, "I never met her" and that Heller didn't even read Rand's books until she was in her 40s (i.e., after Rand died), so in what way was she "a personal friend of Rand"? --
RL0919 (
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21:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Yea, it seems like I got it wrong about Heller. In this case, she is probably independent of the subject of this article. SparklyNights 21:17, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Independent reliable sources already cited in the article include the books by Burns, Gladstein, Heller, Perinn, and Sciabarra. There is also coverage in other independent sources such as Brian Doherty's Radicals for Capitalism, Jeff Walker's The Ayn Rand Cult, and the academic essay collection A Companion To Ayn Rand. Whether some of the later publications merit inclusion is an article content question, but the core subject is clearly notable. -- RL0919 ( talk) 21:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academic journals-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:54, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per RL. While the content of the article can be debated, the fact that objectivist periodicals exists trumps any argument for deletion. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 01:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- Merge with Ayn Rand page. It is about the work about Ayn Rand and her legacy.
Topjur01 (
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14:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
- If a merger were desirable (although I don't think it is), then Objectivist movement would be a better target. Other people were involved in these publications, and some of them continued after Rand's death. Also adding another 1000 words to the 5800-word article about Rand is not reader-friendly. -- RL0919 ( talk) 15:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per RL0919. Core subject is notable. Sal2100 ( talk) 20:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Daniel ( talk) 22:08, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Objectivist periodicals
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:INDEPENDENT. This article is half about a list of periodicals that Ayn Rand wrote for, and the other half is about periodicals written by people who endorse her philosophy. All sources listed in this article that are used to make statements about periodics that Rand worked in are written by people who have worked in these periodicals and/or were friends of Rand herself before she died. Here are some examples:
- Robert Hessen wrote for two of such periodicals, according to Hessen's article
- Barbara Branden has worked for two of such periodicals, according to the article
- Anne Heller was a personal friend of Rand before she died.
- Leonard Peikoff was also a friend of Rand
- Jennifer Burns seems to be the only person here who is independent of the subject.
All the other periodicals that were published independently of Rand are clearly not notable, given the poor sourcing. SparklyNights 20:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Philosophy, Libertarianism, Organizations, and Politics. SparklyNights 20:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- An initial question for
User:SparklyNights: The preface to Heller's biography of Rand says, "I never met her" and that Heller didn't even read Rand's books until she was in her 40s (i.e., after Rand died), so in what way was she "a personal friend of Rand"? --
RL0919 (
talk)
21:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Yea, it seems like I got it wrong about Heller. In this case, she is probably independent of the subject of this article. SparklyNights 21:17, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Independent reliable sources already cited in the article include the books by Burns, Gladstein, Heller, Perinn, and Sciabarra. There is also coverage in other independent sources such as Brian Doherty's Radicals for Capitalism, Jeff Walker's The Ayn Rand Cult, and the academic essay collection A Companion To Ayn Rand. Whether some of the later publications merit inclusion is an article content question, but the core subject is clearly notable. -- RL0919 ( talk) 21:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academic journals-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:54, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per RL. While the content of the article can be debated, the fact that objectivist periodicals exists trumps any argument for deletion. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 01:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
- Merge with Ayn Rand page. It is about the work about Ayn Rand and her legacy.
Topjur01 (
talk)
14:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
- If a merger were desirable (although I don't think it is), then Objectivist movement would be a better target. Other people were involved in these publications, and some of them continued after Rand's death. Also adding another 1000 words to the 5800-word article about Rand is not reader-friendly. -- RL0919 ( talk) 15:59, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per RL0919. Core subject is notable. Sal2100 ( talk) 20:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.