The result of the debate was Keep Kotepho 08:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC) reply
Article is exclusively POV and unreferenced claims about size: "The website is probably one of the most influential gay community sites (certainly in the UK where it has most of its members)" " The main differentiator of the site is the organization of events that take place in the real world and the emphasis on friendship." " the largest social networking club for gay people in the UK. The site is free of charge for casual use, and provides member profiles, a messaging system..." " involved with a number of charitable causes" "The site now has around 50,000 active members, and claims rapid growth." Reads like an advertisement. My vote Delete - Gl e n T C 13:26, 12 April 2006 (UTC) reply
I can track down a reference for the membership numbers, but this can't be checked without access to some very sensitive information from the site owners I would imagine. It isn't exclusively POV, the feature list is factual, the date of inception is factual. As another member has stated, the Alexa ratings are factual. The info about SING is factual. None of this is POV. I would also draw your attention to the article Out (magazine) that is written in an almost identical style, with more hype! I'n not suggesting that a bad article is kept because there are similar ones on wikipedia, but a consitant approach is needed. The website site is a genuinely important one with a history (especially) in the UK which is pretty much unique. Many of the 50,000 members would vote for the entry to stay I'm confident. David scholefield 13:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC) reply
The term 'POV and unreferenced claims' is emotive and suggests that my article is not substantiated. The point I'm making is that the membership figures can not be completely substantiated beyond the owner's claims and common sense arbitration through personal experience. The remainder is my POV, but is also factual (as is the case with most scientific theories if you want to get philosophical about the nature of fact). In some ways the comments about it being a bit like an advertisement I agree with, and a re-write is probably a good idea. This is a long way from immediate deletion though isn't it? David scholefield 14:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was Keep Kotepho 08:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC) reply
Article is exclusively POV and unreferenced claims about size: "The website is probably one of the most influential gay community sites (certainly in the UK where it has most of its members)" " The main differentiator of the site is the organization of events that take place in the real world and the emphasis on friendship." " the largest social networking club for gay people in the UK. The site is free of charge for casual use, and provides member profiles, a messaging system..." " involved with a number of charitable causes" "The site now has around 50,000 active members, and claims rapid growth." Reads like an advertisement. My vote Delete - Gl e n T C 13:26, 12 April 2006 (UTC) reply
I can track down a reference for the membership numbers, but this can't be checked without access to some very sensitive information from the site owners I would imagine. It isn't exclusively POV, the feature list is factual, the date of inception is factual. As another member has stated, the Alexa ratings are factual. The info about SING is factual. None of this is POV. I would also draw your attention to the article Out (magazine) that is written in an almost identical style, with more hype! I'n not suggesting that a bad article is kept because there are similar ones on wikipedia, but a consitant approach is needed. The website site is a genuinely important one with a history (especially) in the UK which is pretty much unique. Many of the 50,000 members would vote for the entry to stay I'm confident. David scholefield 13:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC) reply
The term 'POV and unreferenced claims' is emotive and suggests that my article is not substantiated. The point I'm making is that the membership figures can not be completely substantiated beyond the owner's claims and common sense arbitration through personal experience. The remainder is my POV, but is also factual (as is the case with most scientific theories if you want to get philosophical about the nature of fact). In some ways the comments about it being a bit like an advertisement I agree with, and a re-write is probably a good idea. This is a long way from immediate deletion though isn't it? David scholefield 14:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC) reply