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The result was merge to Nusantara (proposed city). Closing as "Merge" but whether there's any material at the former article that should be merged into Nusantara (proposed city) is a content question for interested editors to decide. I've left the page history visible to all. Ajpolino ( talk) 05:16, 28 January 2022 (UTC) reply

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Speculative article about a proposed capital. No mention of this topic in media, demonstrated by the lack of references in the article (the linked further reading don't even have any mention about metropolitan area). Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 03:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Jeromi Mikhael: it is not speculation, both Nusantara and Nusantara metropolitan area has already officially announced by the official government of Indonesia, even the official website has already explained it all, similar topic also found such as the New Administrative Capital for Egypt, and those capital didn't even have official name yet, but these Indonesian new capital already officially announced, you can even search about the official Indonesian bills in the official website regarding these matter. Thank you. Mbis Saravon ( talk) 03:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • @ Mbis Saravon: There are few people I would trust more in the topic area of Indonesia than Jeromi. If he is bringing this to AfD, not only is he aware of what has been announced, he understands it does not yet merit this particular article. Sammi Brie (she/her •  tc) 04:28, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • @ Sammi Brie: Hello, Wikipedia welcomed anyone to perform their contributions, including me for instance. Your personal thought about someone you favor on Wikipedia shouldn't be used to degrade and devalue my contribution in Wikipedia. I'm just trying to give my constructive contribution here. WP:NPC, WP:APR. ( Mbis Saravon ( talk) 05:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)) reply
  • I agree with what Saravon said here. Just because I'm a longstanding Indonesian topic editor doesn't mean I'm right about anything. This AfD is just a quick assesment on the worthiness of an article. If the government announce something regarding a metropolitan, I would gladly withdraw this nomination. Since most of the consensus is in favor of merging, that means that the article is not going to be deleted, but instead redirected to somewhere else, with the content still being viewable in the primary article. I suggest Mbis Saravon to do the merging themselves in order to kept authorsip attribution. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 05:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • I understand, but here it is. The proposed capital haven't been finished yet, and we already have three articles related to the new capital (the proposal, the capital, and the metropolitan concept). I understand that in the future this will be built. Because this metropolitan concept is still just an imagination at its best, there is no design or even a physical one (just an analogy according to the website), so it is better to combine them for the time being. If there is a clear plan from the central government and the media has covered it, then we can start creating content. So far what you have written is factual and balanced and I appreciate your constructive contribution here. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 05:53, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Once again, it is not "proposed", it is already "official", eventhough it is still under the development, it doesn't mean it's not official and not worthy to mention, the de facto capital of Indonesia is Nusantara according to the 2019 (and later renewed in early 2022) official bill. If you considered this project as "imagination", then explain me why some infrastructures already built there? It is already clear plan of government and the Indonesian media covered it, even the construction started since 2017 (if I'm not mistaken), in 2019 the President Joko Widodo a.k.a. Jokowi declared the official location of new capital that in 2022 "Nusantara" officially chosen as the new capital city name. Compared to similar article, the New Administrative Capital of Egypt didn't even have any official name yet it is allowed to exist in Wikipedia. And in Indonesian system, it is clear in Indonesia that capital city automatically will have the following metropolitan area. If you need to know more about Indonesian system, please kindly learn about it first. So instead of deleting the article or nominate it for deletion, please consider to put the Expand template on top of the article to engage contributors to give further improvements on article. ( Mbis Saravon ( talk) 06:29, 19 January 2022 (UTC)) reply
  • @ David Wadie Fisher-Freberg: The metropolitan area which will covered Nusantara (as the core city), Balikpapan, Samarinda, and some other parts of East Kalimantan is already exist, how come you said there is no metropolitan area to speak of? the only thing that still under development is the Nusantara itself as the capital city, but the surrounding areas are pretty much ready, so the "merge" option isn't quite make sense since these region is exist and already prepared since years ago. Furthermore, in Indonesian system, the core city and metropolitan area are two different entity that shouldn't be mixed because it has distinctive regulations. ( Mbis Saravon ( talk) 06:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)) reply
    "the core city and metropolitan area are two different entity that shouldn't be mixed because it has distinctive regulations". Can you point to the specific Undang-Undang or Peraturan here? dwadieff 02:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Nusantara (proposed city). Closing as "Merge" but whether there's any material at the former article that should be merged into Nusantara (proposed city) is a content question for interested editors to decide. I've left the page history visible to all. Ajpolino ( talk) 05:16, 28 January 2022 (UTC) reply

Nusantara metropolitan area (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
(Find sources:  Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs· FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Speculative article about a proposed capital. No mention of this topic in media, demonstrated by the lack of references in the article (the linked further reading don't even have any mention about metropolitan area). Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 03:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply

@ Jeromi Mikhael: it is not speculation, both Nusantara and Nusantara metropolitan area has already officially announced by the official government of Indonesia, even the official website has already explained it all, similar topic also found such as the New Administrative Capital for Egypt, and those capital didn't even have official name yet, but these Indonesian new capital already officially announced, you can even search about the official Indonesian bills in the official website regarding these matter. Thank you. Mbis Saravon ( talk) 03:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • @ Mbis Saravon: There are few people I would trust more in the topic area of Indonesia than Jeromi. If he is bringing this to AfD, not only is he aware of what has been announced, he understands it does not yet merit this particular article. Sammi Brie (she/her •  tc) 04:28, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • @ Sammi Brie: Hello, Wikipedia welcomed anyone to perform their contributions, including me for instance. Your personal thought about someone you favor on Wikipedia shouldn't be used to degrade and devalue my contribution in Wikipedia. I'm just trying to give my constructive contribution here. WP:NPC, WP:APR. ( Mbis Saravon ( talk) 05:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)) reply
  • I agree with what Saravon said here. Just because I'm a longstanding Indonesian topic editor doesn't mean I'm right about anything. This AfD is just a quick assesment on the worthiness of an article. If the government announce something regarding a metropolitan, I would gladly withdraw this nomination. Since most of the consensus is in favor of merging, that means that the article is not going to be deleted, but instead redirected to somewhere else, with the content still being viewable in the primary article. I suggest Mbis Saravon to do the merging themselves in order to kept authorsip attribution. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 05:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • I understand, but here it is. The proposed capital haven't been finished yet, and we already have three articles related to the new capital (the proposal, the capital, and the metropolitan concept). I understand that in the future this will be built. Because this metropolitan concept is still just an imagination at its best, there is no design or even a physical one (just an analogy according to the website), so it is better to combine them for the time being. If there is a clear plan from the central government and the media has covered it, then we can start creating content. So far what you have written is factual and balanced and I appreciate your constructive contribution here. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 05:53, 19 January 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Once again, it is not "proposed", it is already "official", eventhough it is still under the development, it doesn't mean it's not official and not worthy to mention, the de facto capital of Indonesia is Nusantara according to the 2019 (and later renewed in early 2022) official bill. If you considered this project as "imagination", then explain me why some infrastructures already built there? It is already clear plan of government and the Indonesian media covered it, even the construction started since 2017 (if I'm not mistaken), in 2019 the President Joko Widodo a.k.a. Jokowi declared the official location of new capital that in 2022 "Nusantara" officially chosen as the new capital city name. Compared to similar article, the New Administrative Capital of Egypt didn't even have any official name yet it is allowed to exist in Wikipedia. And in Indonesian system, it is clear in Indonesia that capital city automatically will have the following metropolitan area. If you need to know more about Indonesian system, please kindly learn about it first. So instead of deleting the article or nominate it for deletion, please consider to put the Expand template on top of the article to engage contributors to give further improvements on article. ( Mbis Saravon ( talk) 06:29, 19 January 2022 (UTC)) reply
  • @ David Wadie Fisher-Freberg: The metropolitan area which will covered Nusantara (as the core city), Balikpapan, Samarinda, and some other parts of East Kalimantan is already exist, how come you said there is no metropolitan area to speak of? the only thing that still under development is the Nusantara itself as the capital city, but the surrounding areas are pretty much ready, so the "merge" option isn't quite make sense since these region is exist and already prepared since years ago. Furthermore, in Indonesian system, the core city and metropolitan area are two different entity that shouldn't be mixed because it has distinctive regulations. ( Mbis Saravon ( talk) 06:38, 19 January 2022 (UTC)) reply
    "the core city and metropolitan area are two different entity that shouldn't be mixed because it has distinctive regulations". Can you point to the specific Undang-Undang or Peraturan here? dwadieff 02:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC) reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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