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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kagundu Talk To Me 05:10, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG. Little coverage in independent, reliable sources to suggest any encyclopedic notability. DrStrauss talk 20:49, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- Alternative searches:
- katsumi yoshida northern farm
- northern farm hokkaido
- These show it is a probable duplicate of Shadai Stallion Station, I suggest it is kept as a redirect. Dysklyver 21:05, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:12, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Horse racing-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:13, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - According to ja:社台グループ, Northern Farm is, along with Shadai Stallion Station, part of a larger group called the Shadai Group. It thus not a duplicate of Shadai Stallion and should not be redirected to that. The choice is either to keep it, delete it or create a separate article on the Shadai Group to which it will be redirected. The question to me seems to be whether it is significant enough to have its own article. An article like this says it is the largest and most successful part of the Shadai Group, so there could be evidence that it deserves its own article. Here are some other articles: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], etc. The Japanese Wiki article ja:ノーザンファーム has a lot of references, though most seem to be confirmations that winning horses are from the Farm. The Shadai Group itself seems quite notable, with introductions in the NY Times, Japan Times, etc.: [11], [12], [13], etc. Michitaro ( talk) 00:52, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep on the basis of the information presented. It's rather foolhardy to say there are no sources when the subject is specialized and unfamiliar, and the likely sources are in a language one cannot read. DGG ( talk ) 05:38, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
- Maybe a redirect to its parent company is in order?
DrStrauss
talk
08:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
- I wouldn’t recommend it, the Shadai Group is not a parent company in the normal sense, it is an investment 'group', that is a group of people who club together to own racehorses. This article is about is a stud farm owned by the Yoshida family. The main connection is that the horses on this farm are mostly owned by the Shadai Group, and the Yoshida family are integral to the Shadai Group. many hundreds of millions of dollars worth of horses are kept and bred here which are owned by the Shadai Group though. Dysklyver 16:44, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
- Maybe a redirect to its parent company is in order?
DrStrauss
talk
08:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 21:06, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - this is a very influential organisation in Japanese sport and there's a lot of relevant information that could be added by someone with even a rudimentary knowledge of Japanese Marrcol ( talk) 22:18, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Is there a version on the ja.wiki we can port over and translate? L3X1 (distænt write) 01:34, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kagundu Talk To Me 05:10, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- Northern Farm (stud) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Fails WP:GNG. Little coverage in independent, reliable sources to suggest any encyclopedic notability. DrStrauss talk 20:49, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- Alternative searches:
- katsumi yoshida northern farm
- northern farm hokkaido
- These show it is a probable duplicate of Shadai Stallion Station, I suggest it is kept as a redirect. Dysklyver 21:05, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:12, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Horse racing-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:13, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - According to ja:社台グループ, Northern Farm is, along with Shadai Stallion Station, part of a larger group called the Shadai Group. It thus not a duplicate of Shadai Stallion and should not be redirected to that. The choice is either to keep it, delete it or create a separate article on the Shadai Group to which it will be redirected. The question to me seems to be whether it is significant enough to have its own article. An article like this says it is the largest and most successful part of the Shadai Group, so there could be evidence that it deserves its own article. Here are some other articles: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], etc. The Japanese Wiki article ja:ノーザンファーム has a lot of references, though most seem to be confirmations that winning horses are from the Farm. The Shadai Group itself seems quite notable, with introductions in the NY Times, Japan Times, etc.: [11], [12], [13], etc. Michitaro ( talk) 00:52, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep on the basis of the information presented. It's rather foolhardy to say there are no sources when the subject is specialized and unfamiliar, and the likely sources are in a language one cannot read. DGG ( talk ) 05:38, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
- Maybe a redirect to its parent company is in order?
DrStrauss
talk
08:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
- I wouldn’t recommend it, the Shadai Group is not a parent company in the normal sense, it is an investment 'group', that is a group of people who club together to own racehorses. This article is about is a stud farm owned by the Yoshida family. The main connection is that the horses on this farm are mostly owned by the Shadai Group, and the Yoshida family are integral to the Shadai Group. many hundreds of millions of dollars worth of horses are kept and bred here which are owned by the Shadai Group though. Dysklyver 16:44, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
- Maybe a redirect to its parent company is in order?
DrStrauss
talk
08:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 21:06, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - this is a very influential organisation in Japanese sport and there's a lot of relevant information that could be added by someone with even a rudimentary knowledge of Japanese Marrcol ( talk) 22:18, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Is there a version on the ja.wiki we can port over and translate? L3X1 (distænt write) 01:34, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.