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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Lourdes 16:48, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
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non-notable, no references. RJFJR ( talk) 10:04, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
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- Comment. According to this page, sales, number of branches, number of employees, etc are somewhat on the huge side. See for yourself. Am I exaggerating what's written there? If I'm not exaggerating what's written there, is what's written there credible? (It's certainly not a disinterested source, but do you think that there's a substantial risk that the company would falsify the information?) ¶ Of course, this is a crap way to evaluate notability. What we want are newspaper articles, etc. The are unlikely to be available other than via for-pay databases. Did you look there, RJFJR? -- Hoary ( talk) 10:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. The article can be expanded from the corresponding article in Japanese at [1] Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 12:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Surely you jest, Eastmain. The article in Japanese is as bad as one expects from articles on corporations in ja:WP. Its rather dreary series of lists may seem impressively bulky till you realize that it includes such Nihonshokkencruft as a list of the TV programs that have been graced with the company's commercials. The article has a grand total of two (two) references, one of which is for mere trivia. -- Hoary ( talk) 22:54, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Improve and keep. "One of the world’s largest sauce and spice manufacturers". There are also a variety of hits for "Nippon Shokken". Dekimasu よ! 15:15, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- A passing reference in a short local TV story -- probably sourced from a company press release, at that -- isn't really going to cut it as a source for such a (near) superlative. -- Calton | Talk 13:08, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- It's not a passing reference. The whole article is about the company. Dekimasu よ! 01:34, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. It's a verifiably large corporation. A quick look in the 日経テレコン21 database shows over four hundred articles that are more or less about it; a recent example is 日本食研、台湾と中国に調味料新工場 需要拡大に対応, published on 26 June 2018 in 日経速報ニュースアーカイブ and 628 characters long. And 日経 is just one among several news conglomerates. -- Hoary ( talk) 22:54, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Some relatively academic stuff, too: 生産財(業務用品)メーカーによるB to BとB to Cマーケティング : 日本食研ホールディングス株式会社の事例より. Dekimasu よ! 03:17, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- This is a terrible excuse for an article. While it's got potential -- I recognize the company products, and a billion dollars in revenue is nothing to sneeze at -- an article has to actually say SOMETHING (with reliable sources) or it's just a business-directory listing. So Move to Draft Space until it reaches even minimal standards for an article. -- Calton | Talk 13:08, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Not a bad idea, Calton. I'd be happy to see this (and indeed thousands of articles) tossed into draft space. -- Hoary ( talk) 00:46, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:12, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:12, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I have just done some search on Factiva for this company - clearly this is a major notable company, with remarks like "the largest manufacturer/distributor of sauces in Japan". Obviously a large company with good market share, and a multinational presence. I've added some more detail to the article, and included some more references, I'm sure there's lots more sources in Japanese. If you go to the Japanese Wikipedia page for this company, you can see it is quite substantial. Deathlibrarian ( talk) 04:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Unfortunately, the references haven't been produced. None of the Keep !voters have produced any references to meet the criteria for establishing notability - its no good saying "lots of links exist" without producing the links here. None of the Keep !voters have provided any reasons the article should be kept *based on policy and/or guidelines*. Saying its a "verifiably large corporation" isn't based on policy/guidelines. The academic stuff fails WP:RS. Doing research on Factiva without producing citations is not useful for a closing admin. All we've really learned is that it is a really large company (and therefore one would expect lots of references) but it doesn't have references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. Odd as that might be, the topic therefore fails WP:NCORP. HighKing ++ 18:36, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- There seem to have been links given up above for English sources that were ignored, but at any rate, a basic Google news search for the company yields over 750 results in Japanese. Here are some links, then: The Nikkei [2] [3] [4] Mainichi Shimbun [5] Sankei [6] Ehime Shimbun [7] [8] [9] [10]. Dekimasu よ! 19:39, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Lourdes 16:48, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
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non-notable, no references. RJFJR ( talk) 10:04, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 10:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 10:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 10:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Hhkohh ( talk) 10:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. According to this page, sales, number of branches, number of employees, etc are somewhat on the huge side. See for yourself. Am I exaggerating what's written there? If I'm not exaggerating what's written there, is what's written there credible? (It's certainly not a disinterested source, but do you think that there's a substantial risk that the company would falsify the information?) ¶ Of course, this is a crap way to evaluate notability. What we want are newspaper articles, etc. The are unlikely to be available other than via for-pay databases. Did you look there, RJFJR? -- Hoary ( talk) 10:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. The article can be expanded from the corresponding article in Japanese at [1] Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 12:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Surely you jest, Eastmain. The article in Japanese is as bad as one expects from articles on corporations in ja:WP. Its rather dreary series of lists may seem impressively bulky till you realize that it includes such Nihonshokkencruft as a list of the TV programs that have been graced with the company's commercials. The article has a grand total of two (two) references, one of which is for mere trivia. -- Hoary ( talk) 22:54, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Improve and keep. "One of the world’s largest sauce and spice manufacturers". There are also a variety of hits for "Nippon Shokken". Dekimasu よ! 15:15, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- A passing reference in a short local TV story -- probably sourced from a company press release, at that -- isn't really going to cut it as a source for such a (near) superlative. -- Calton | Talk 13:08, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- It's not a passing reference. The whole article is about the company. Dekimasu よ! 01:34, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. It's a verifiably large corporation. A quick look in the 日経テレコン21 database shows over four hundred articles that are more or less about it; a recent example is 日本食研、台湾と中国に調味料新工場 需要拡大に対応, published on 26 June 2018 in 日経速報ニュースアーカイブ and 628 characters long. And 日経 is just one among several news conglomerates. -- Hoary ( talk) 22:54, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
- Some relatively academic stuff, too: 生産財(業務用品)メーカーによるB to BとB to Cマーケティング : 日本食研ホールディングス株式会社の事例より. Dekimasu よ! 03:17, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- This is a terrible excuse for an article. While it's got potential -- I recognize the company products, and a billion dollars in revenue is nothing to sneeze at -- an article has to actually say SOMETHING (with reliable sources) or it's just a business-directory listing. So Move to Draft Space until it reaches even minimal standards for an article. -- Calton | Talk 13:08, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Not a bad idea, Calton. I'd be happy to see this (and indeed thousands of articles) tossed into draft space. -- Hoary ( talk) 00:46, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:12, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:12, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I have just done some search on Factiva for this company - clearly this is a major notable company, with remarks like "the largest manufacturer/distributor of sauces in Japan". Obviously a large company with good market share, and a multinational presence. I've added some more detail to the article, and included some more references, I'm sure there's lots more sources in Japanese. If you go to the Japanese Wikipedia page for this company, you can see it is quite substantial. Deathlibrarian ( talk) 04:02, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Unfortunately, the references haven't been produced. None of the Keep !voters have produced any references to meet the criteria for establishing notability - its no good saying "lots of links exist" without producing the links here. None of the Keep !voters have provided any reasons the article should be kept *based on policy and/or guidelines*. Saying its a "verifiably large corporation" isn't based on policy/guidelines. The academic stuff fails WP:RS. Doing research on Factiva without producing citations is not useful for a closing admin. All we've really learned is that it is a really large company (and therefore one would expect lots of references) but it doesn't have references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. Odd as that might be, the topic therefore fails WP:NCORP. HighKing ++ 18:36, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- There seem to have been links given up above for English sources that were ignored, but at any rate, a basic Google news search for the company yields over 750 results in Japanese. Here are some links, then: The Nikkei [2] [3] [4] Mainichi Shimbun [5] Sankei [6] Ehime Shimbun [7] [8] [9] [10]. Dekimasu よ! 19:39, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
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