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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 16:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
New York Show Tickets
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This is an article created by recently banned User:Nytix, who appears to have a clear conflict of interest. The article has been around for 15 years, and has a lot of stuff in it, but without accumulating any meaningful reliable and verifiable in-depth sourcing about the company; nor are there any meaningful links from other Wikipedia articles showing that the company is integrated into the encyclopedia. The businesses website appears to be entirely oriented towards selling tickets.
My WP:BEFORE search on Google didn't turn up anything meaningful to support a claim of notability. Alansohn ( talk) 15:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Business and New York. Alansohn ( talk) 15:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete COI and PROMO, this is also a seriously out-of-date article (1iota handles most TV show ticketing these days, online, and networks generally don't cooperate with independent resellers because it's 2024 and they can manage tickets online).
Nate • (
chatter)
16:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes we dont handle TV show tickets anymore - but we ran TV show ticketing for many shows for years in the early days - where are we saying that we do TV show tickets now?
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I feel you arent really reading the wikipedia page - just glancing at it.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- We don't do TV shows anymore - we are 100% focused on Broadway show marketing - I would edit the wikipedia page to make it even clearer, but you have locked our account. On /info/en/?search=New_York_Show_Tickets we do say however state, "Today, NYTIX sells Broadway show tickets and provides discount offers to Broadway shows through an online information guides (accessible through their website) that explain how to get discounted tickets to Broadway shows"
- I am not sure how that is stating we do TV show ticketing. 24.46.132.52 ( talk) 03:05, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I feel you arent really reading the wikipedia page - just glancing at it.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes we dont handle TV show tickets anymore - but we ran TV show ticketing for many shows for years in the early days - where are we saying that we do TV show tickets now?
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Theatre, Advertising, and Companies. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- We now cover Broadway shows in New York City and our news stories have nothing to do with selling tickets
https://www.nytix.com/news
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- So it is an incorrect statement to say that
- "The businesses website appears to be entirely oriented towards selling tickets"
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also - the statement that there is no "meaningful reliable and verifiable in-depth sourcing about the company" is incorrect - we attempted to add the DUNS link, but editors removed it.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems whenever we attempt to include a reference or link - its gets blocked by editors.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please explain how this page is not acceptable, but another similar organization is acceptable - we fashioned our page on theirs as we imagined that was the correct method - their page is /info/en/?search=TodayTix
- We attempted to add a reference from NBC that you deleted - I don't understand why:
- https://www.nbcnewyork.com/entertainment/the-scene/broadway-cheap-how-to-score-discount-tickets-to-a-show/3684562/
- Please advise.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- As that and many other references have not been allowed to be added to this page. 24.46.132.52 ( talk) 02:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems whenever we attempt to include a reference or link - its gets blocked by editors.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also - the statement that there is no "meaningful reliable and verifiable in-depth sourcing about the company" is incorrect - we attempted to add the DUNS link, but editors removed it.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- We were banned because we tried to update the content - not much of reason to get banned - it was accurate content
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Similarly I see tons of mentions on Wikipedia about NYTIX over the years at:
- /info/en/?search=Special:Search?go=Go&search=nytix&ns0=1
- Why is no one else seeing that? I am very confused. 24.46.132.52 ( talk) 02:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Break from self-conversation
- Comment You're not supposed to edit your own articles because that's a clear conflict of interest, and Nytix, you are not allowed to evade a block with an IP. And the WNBC piece is a clear advertorial piece, not a news story. Nate • ( chatter) 16:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added the NBC article that you mentioned, which does verify one of the statements in this Wikipedia article. We cannot cite Wikipedia articles, or any other crowd-sourced websites. If you have other mainstream news or feature articles about NYTIX, please cite them here, and I'll help you by reviewing them, and, if appropriate, adding them to the article. Try to keep calm, and do not WP:BLUDGEON the discussion. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – most mentions of the company are limited to passing mentions in travel guides; these do not count as significant coverage when determining notability (either WP:GNG or WP:NCORP). Something like the NBC article also does not count because it is using the company's articles as a source, not discussing the company itself. RunningTiger123 ( talk) 02:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for the reasons stated above. Wikipedia is not a platform for advertising and promotion and I am unable to locate any sources that show this company meets the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 17:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP: N. My source analysis agrees with that of with RunningTiger123. The IP is a sockpuppet who's already violated at least three Wikipedia guidelines. My willingness to assume good faith drops dramatically when they accuse people of not reading the Wikipedia page after being told very nicely to stop their paid editing. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 18:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per all above. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 01:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 16:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
New York Show Tickets
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This is an article created by recently banned User:Nytix, who appears to have a clear conflict of interest. The article has been around for 15 years, and has a lot of stuff in it, but without accumulating any meaningful reliable and verifiable in-depth sourcing about the company; nor are there any meaningful links from other Wikipedia articles showing that the company is integrated into the encyclopedia. The businesses website appears to be entirely oriented towards selling tickets.
My WP:BEFORE search on Google didn't turn up anything meaningful to support a claim of notability. Alansohn ( talk) 15:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Business and New York. Alansohn ( talk) 15:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete COI and PROMO, this is also a seriously out-of-date article (1iota handles most TV show ticketing these days, online, and networks generally don't cooperate with independent resellers because it's 2024 and they can manage tickets online).
Nate • (
chatter)
16:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes we dont handle TV show tickets anymore - but we ran TV show ticketing for many shows for years in the early days - where are we saying that we do TV show tickets now?
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I feel you arent really reading the wikipedia page - just glancing at it.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- We don't do TV shows anymore - we are 100% focused on Broadway show marketing - I would edit the wikipedia page to make it even clearer, but you have locked our account. On /info/en/?search=New_York_Show_Tickets we do say however state, "Today, NYTIX sells Broadway show tickets and provides discount offers to Broadway shows through an online information guides (accessible through their website) that explain how to get discounted tickets to Broadway shows"
- I am not sure how that is stating we do TV show ticketing. 24.46.132.52 ( talk) 03:05, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I feel you arent really reading the wikipedia page - just glancing at it.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes we dont handle TV show tickets anymore - but we ran TV show ticketing for many shows for years in the early days - where are we saying that we do TV show tickets now?
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Theatre, Advertising, and Companies. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- We now cover Broadway shows in New York City and our news stories have nothing to do with selling tickets
https://www.nytix.com/news
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- So it is an incorrect statement to say that
- "The businesses website appears to be entirely oriented towards selling tickets"
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also - the statement that there is no "meaningful reliable and verifiable in-depth sourcing about the company" is incorrect - we attempted to add the DUNS link, but editors removed it.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems whenever we attempt to include a reference or link - its gets blocked by editors.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please explain how this page is not acceptable, but another similar organization is acceptable - we fashioned our page on theirs as we imagined that was the correct method - their page is /info/en/?search=TodayTix
- We attempted to add a reference from NBC that you deleted - I don't understand why:
- https://www.nbcnewyork.com/entertainment/the-scene/broadway-cheap-how-to-score-discount-tickets-to-a-show/3684562/
- Please advise.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- As that and many other references have not been allowed to be added to this page. 24.46.132.52 ( talk) 02:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- It seems whenever we attempt to include a reference or link - its gets blocked by editors.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also - the statement that there is no "meaningful reliable and verifiable in-depth sourcing about the company" is incorrect - we attempted to add the DUNS link, but editors removed it.
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- We were banned because we tried to update the content - not much of reason to get banned - it was accurate content
24.46.132.52 (
talk)
02:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Similarly I see tons of mentions on Wikipedia about NYTIX over the years at:
- /info/en/?search=Special:Search?go=Go&search=nytix&ns0=1
- Why is no one else seeing that? I am very confused. 24.46.132.52 ( talk) 02:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Break from self-conversation
- Comment You're not supposed to edit your own articles because that's a clear conflict of interest, and Nytix, you are not allowed to evade a block with an IP. And the WNBC piece is a clear advertorial piece, not a news story. Nate • ( chatter) 16:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have added the NBC article that you mentioned, which does verify one of the statements in this Wikipedia article. We cannot cite Wikipedia articles, or any other crowd-sourced websites. If you have other mainstream news or feature articles about NYTIX, please cite them here, and I'll help you by reviewing them, and, if appropriate, adding them to the article. Try to keep calm, and do not WP:BLUDGEON the discussion. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – most mentions of the company are limited to passing mentions in travel guides; these do not count as significant coverage when determining notability (either WP:GNG or WP:NCORP). Something like the NBC article also does not count because it is using the company's articles as a source, not discussing the company itself. RunningTiger123 ( talk) 02:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for the reasons stated above. Wikipedia is not a platform for advertising and promotion and I am unable to locate any sources that show this company meets the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 17:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails WP: N. My source analysis agrees with that of with RunningTiger123. The IP is a sockpuppet who's already violated at least three Wikipedia guidelines. My willingness to assume good faith drops dramatically when they accuse people of not reading the Wikipedia page after being told very nicely to stop their paid editing. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 18:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per all above. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 01:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.