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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 14:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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Not convinced this one passes WP:GEOLAND. The State Historical Society calls it a small trading point, but Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tingley, Missouri is a precedent that that's not enough for a GEOLAND pass. The topos I can turn up nvever show more than two or three buildings at the site. My WP:LIBRARY application for newspapers.com access is still pending, so I'm having to go by Google books, which is only brining up bare namedrops, e.i. somebody had a Neola address, or somebody died in the vicinity. Such namedrops do not prove that WP:GEOLAND is met, and WP:GNG looks like a failure, as well. Hog Farm Bacon 02:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep sources show Neola was a real rural community where people lived, traded, and died. 72.49.7.25 ( talk) 04:14, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GEOLAND. KidAd talk 04:15, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. A trading point is more than an empty building or a name on a map. It's a place which at least for some period in history was an actual, tho possibly small, community-in this case consisting also of a church, and dwellings. A place which has those basic elements is (or in this case, was)., an actual community: a meeting place, a trading place., and a place where people lived. Even without the church I would support it--such trading posts are of historical importance. (And if we reject Tingley, we need to revisit it. WP does not run by precedent, but corrects errors)
DGG (
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05:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- @ DGG: Read WP:GEOLAND. These need legal recognition for notability, which this one lacks. Hog Farm Bacon 10:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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- The way we interpret GEOLAND is by discussing individual articles at afd. Reading it, I see that "On the other hand, sources that describe the subject instead of simply mentioning it do establish notability. "
We are normally on all subjects much more flexible in accepting weak articles on historically existing or historically relevant topics. Doing a wider interpretation in such cases is within our discretion. Guidelines are called guidelines because they describe what we usually do. The consensus here will either agree that this should be an exception, or not. DGG ( talk ) 15:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Per DGG- this is a place where people, lived, worshiped, and traded. Here are a couple classifieds in Neola. A man was born here. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 19:37, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- comment I have a certain ambivalence about these "trading point" entries, but in this case you can see the "trading point" for yourself in Street View. It's a quite small white building at a crossroads, with a modern ranch house behind, and that is it. Talking about a "community" strikes me as euphemistic: what we have testimony for is that there was a country store where the USPS found it desirable maintain an office well into the RFD era. Nobody had the nerve to call it a town or village or hamlet, and if it ever had a population it would appear to have consisted of no one beyond, maybe, the storekeeper and his immediate family. The notion of it being a "community" seems to me to be unprovable one way or the other; the word is really be used as a substitute for "town" or the like, and and unless one is willing to accept the notion of a "one store town" with no other buildings, I'm really not seeing how the current content of the article can be justified. And if you are willing to tell the bald truth ("Neola, Missouri was a place where there used to be a store with a post office in it") I think you would be much harder pressed to justify its notability. Mangoe ( talk) 14:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 02:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- After some consideration, I'm going to have to go with delete. The evidence is particularly strong that, as I said above, this was nothing more than an isolated store that was a convenient place to put a post office in a rural area. This was not a town/village/hamlet; at best it could be elevated to a locale. Maybe. Mangoe ( talk) 13:28, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 14:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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Not convinced this one passes WP:GEOLAND. The State Historical Society calls it a small trading point, but Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tingley, Missouri is a precedent that that's not enough for a GEOLAND pass. The topos I can turn up nvever show more than two or three buildings at the site. My WP:LIBRARY application for newspapers.com access is still pending, so I'm having to go by Google books, which is only brining up bare namedrops, e.i. somebody had a Neola address, or somebody died in the vicinity. Such namedrops do not prove that WP:GEOLAND is met, and WP:GNG looks like a failure, as well. Hog Farm Bacon 02:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 02:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 02:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep sources show Neola was a real rural community where people lived, traded, and died. 72.49.7.25 ( talk) 04:14, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GEOLAND. KidAd talk 04:15, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. A trading point is more than an empty building or a name on a map. It's a place which at least for some period in history was an actual, tho possibly small, community-in this case consisting also of a church, and dwellings. A place which has those basic elements is (or in this case, was)., an actual community: a meeting place, a trading place., and a place where people lived. Even without the church I would support it--such trading posts are of historical importance. (And if we reject Tingley, we need to revisit it. WP does not run by precedent, but corrects errors)
DGG (
talk )
05:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- @ DGG: Read WP:GEOLAND. These need legal recognition for notability, which this one lacks. Hog Farm Bacon 10:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
-
- The way we interpret GEOLAND is by discussing individual articles at afd. Reading it, I see that "On the other hand, sources that describe the subject instead of simply mentioning it do establish notability. "
We are normally on all subjects much more flexible in accepting weak articles on historically existing or historically relevant topics. Doing a wider interpretation in such cases is within our discretion. Guidelines are called guidelines because they describe what we usually do. The consensus here will either agree that this should be an exception, or not. DGG ( talk ) 15:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Per DGG- this is a place where people, lived, worshiped, and traded. Here are a couple classifieds in Neola. A man was born here. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 19:37, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- comment I have a certain ambivalence about these "trading point" entries, but in this case you can see the "trading point" for yourself in Street View. It's a quite small white building at a crossroads, with a modern ranch house behind, and that is it. Talking about a "community" strikes me as euphemistic: what we have testimony for is that there was a country store where the USPS found it desirable maintain an office well into the RFD era. Nobody had the nerve to call it a town or village or hamlet, and if it ever had a population it would appear to have consisted of no one beyond, maybe, the storekeeper and his immediate family. The notion of it being a "community" seems to me to be unprovable one way or the other; the word is really be used as a substitute for "town" or the like, and and unless one is willing to accept the notion of a "one store town" with no other buildings, I'm really not seeing how the current content of the article can be justified. And if you are willing to tell the bald truth ("Neola, Missouri was a place where there used to be a store with a post office in it") I think you would be much harder pressed to justify its notability. Mangoe ( talk) 14:15, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 02:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- After some consideration, I'm going to have to go with delete. The evidence is particularly strong that, as I said above, this was nothing more than an isolated store that was a convenient place to put a post office in a rural area. This was not a town/village/hamlet; at best it could be elevated to a locale. Maybe. Mangoe ( talk) 13:28, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.