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The result was redirect to Nelson, New Zealand. Consensus is for redirection. North America 1000 01:41, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
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There's no such thing as the "Nelson Region". Tasman District and Nelson City are two distinct administrative entities. They are unitary authorities and as such are not part of a combined region. Some government agencies regard Nelson City as "The Nelson Region" (e.g., Statistics New Zealand, but they do not include the Tasman District as part of it. To try to group these two separate entities together is incorrect and misleading. The term is sometimes used, with a lower-case "R", to indicate a vague geographical area, but that would hardly form the basis of an article ( Tasman District covers that pretty well), but it is not one of the country's official administrative (capital R) Regions. Even the hatnote on the article admits as such with its comment For the current top-level subdivision of Nelson in New Zealand, see Nelson, New Zealand. If the city's the top level adminstrative subdivision, then, by definition, this article is about a non-existent place. Grutness... wha? 14:28, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
- Judging by the creator's talk page, the article was created as a content fork as part of an edit war. See also Talk:Nelson Province Grutness... wha? 14:35, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Your argument for deletion of this page does not stand for several reasons. Yes, "Nelson Region" is not a region in the same political sense as Canterbury, Otago or Taranaki. However, people outside of the Nelson / Tasman area rarely understand that local residents and many visitors still refer to the whole area as the "Nelson Region". This reference is more like Central, East, and North Otago or New England whereby the name pertains to a geographical rather than political region. Any claims that the "Nelson Region" page should be deleted would require the deletion of the Otago and New England pages on the same grounds. A quick search of Google identified numerous organisations that use the term "Nelson Region". These included: The Encyclopedia of New Zealand [1], The Nelson Mail [2], Nelson Regional Development Agency [3], The Nelson-Marlborough Institute of Technology [4], and Lonely Planet [5]. -- 125.236.176.24 ( talk) 21:05, 6 May 2017 (UTC)— 125.236.176.24 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
References
- ^ http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/nelson-region
- ^ http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/89743698/Tourism-boom-continues-in-Nelson-region
- ^ http://nrda.co.nz/
- ^ https://www.nmit.ac.nz/study/study-in-new-zealand/our-regions/
- ^ https://www.lonelyplanet.com/new-zealand/marlborough-and-nelson/nelson-region
- Let's have a look at your points one by one:
- 1) 'Yes, "Nelson Region" is not a region in the same political sense as Canterbury, Otago or Taranaki.' Exactly.
- 2) 'However, people outside of the Nelson / Tasman area rarely understand that local residents and many visitors still refer to the whole area as the "Nelson Region".' Actually, if they refer to it by that or a similar name, it is as the Nelson region, lower case r, in the same way they might refer to the "Kaikoura coast", as a rough geographical area with no defined boundaries. Some of these areas do have articles, sure, but in those cases the areas have significant differences to the Regions and Districts they cover. In this case, almost everything that can be said about the Nelson region is said in the articles on the Tasman District and Nelson city.In any case, locals often refer to where they live as a "region", irrespective of whether there is any official designation as such. So we have information on jobs in the Alexandra region, crime in the Timaru region, and so on.
- 3) 'This reference is more like Central, East, and North Otago or New England whereby the name pertains to a geographical rather than political region. Any claims that the "Nelson Region" page should be deleted would require the deletion of the Otago and New England pages on the same grounds.' See my previous point. None of these areas (areas - none are listed as Regions) can be effectively covered in articles for either Otago or the individual US states without overloading the main articles.
- 4) 'A quick search of Google identified numerous organisations that use the term "Nelson Region".' All of them, except in their headers, use the term "Nelson region", and use it in a vague, loose sense. In the case of the Nelson Regional Development Agency, the first major section of the document that is linked in the article is about how to combine activities of two distinct, non-overlapping authorities, those of Nelson City and Tasman District. The Nelson Mail uses the term in the same way as mentioned above for Alexandra and Timaru, or in the same way as Invercargill, if you prefer. Lonely Planet also uses the term in a very loose sense, also referring to places such as the "Queenstown region" and "Rotorua region". As for the Nelson-Marlborough Institute of Technology, it's probably worth noting that Nelson-Marlborough does not have an article, even though it is a commonly used term.
- Nothing that you have said in any way indicates that this article serves any purpose or is worthwhile - or belongs as a standalone article in Wikipedia. Grutness... wha? 01:05, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
wha? Do want you wish! Your attitude confirms that Wikipedia is dominated by liberal biased administrators. Just remember Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun 125.236.176.24 ( talk) 09:09, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Huh? Grutness... wha? 10:33, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 11:21, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Redirect to
Nelson-Marlborough Regional Council the closest thing there ever was to a Nelson Region.
Daveosaurus (
talk)
11:32, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Or redirecting to Nelson, New Zealand per Gadfium and Stuartyeates would work equally well. Daveosaurus ( talk) 04:50, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Rename to Nelson (geographic region). 222.153.82.76 ( talk) 02:01, 9 May 2017 (UTC) (first edit to WP)
- Redirect to Nelson, New Zealand and tweak Nelson to remove reference to region. Stuartyeates ( talk) 09:04, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 23:35, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to Nelson, New Zealand per Stuartyeates.- gadfium 08:20, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to Nelson, New Zealand makes most sense to me. Schwede 66 04:53, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Nelson, New Zealand. Consensus is for redirection. North America 1000 01:41, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
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There's no such thing as the "Nelson Region". Tasman District and Nelson City are two distinct administrative entities. They are unitary authorities and as such are not part of a combined region. Some government agencies regard Nelson City as "The Nelson Region" (e.g., Statistics New Zealand, but they do not include the Tasman District as part of it. To try to group these two separate entities together is incorrect and misleading. The term is sometimes used, with a lower-case "R", to indicate a vague geographical area, but that would hardly form the basis of an article ( Tasman District covers that pretty well), but it is not one of the country's official administrative (capital R) Regions. Even the hatnote on the article admits as such with its comment For the current top-level subdivision of Nelson in New Zealand, see Nelson, New Zealand. If the city's the top level adminstrative subdivision, then, by definition, this article is about a non-existent place. Grutness... wha? 14:28, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
- Judging by the creator's talk page, the article was created as a content fork as part of an edit war. See also Talk:Nelson Province Grutness... wha? 14:35, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Your argument for deletion of this page does not stand for several reasons. Yes, "Nelson Region" is not a region in the same political sense as Canterbury, Otago or Taranaki. However, people outside of the Nelson / Tasman area rarely understand that local residents and many visitors still refer to the whole area as the "Nelson Region". This reference is more like Central, East, and North Otago or New England whereby the name pertains to a geographical rather than political region. Any claims that the "Nelson Region" page should be deleted would require the deletion of the Otago and New England pages on the same grounds. A quick search of Google identified numerous organisations that use the term "Nelson Region". These included: The Encyclopedia of New Zealand [1], The Nelson Mail [2], Nelson Regional Development Agency [3], The Nelson-Marlborough Institute of Technology [4], and Lonely Planet [5]. -- 125.236.176.24 ( talk) 21:05, 6 May 2017 (UTC)— 125.236.176.24 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
References
- ^ http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/nelson-region
- ^ http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/89743698/Tourism-boom-continues-in-Nelson-region
- ^ http://nrda.co.nz/
- ^ https://www.nmit.ac.nz/study/study-in-new-zealand/our-regions/
- ^ https://www.lonelyplanet.com/new-zealand/marlborough-and-nelson/nelson-region
- Let's have a look at your points one by one:
- 1) 'Yes, "Nelson Region" is not a region in the same political sense as Canterbury, Otago or Taranaki.' Exactly.
- 2) 'However, people outside of the Nelson / Tasman area rarely understand that local residents and many visitors still refer to the whole area as the "Nelson Region".' Actually, if they refer to it by that or a similar name, it is as the Nelson region, lower case r, in the same way they might refer to the "Kaikoura coast", as a rough geographical area with no defined boundaries. Some of these areas do have articles, sure, but in those cases the areas have significant differences to the Regions and Districts they cover. In this case, almost everything that can be said about the Nelson region is said in the articles on the Tasman District and Nelson city.In any case, locals often refer to where they live as a "region", irrespective of whether there is any official designation as such. So we have information on jobs in the Alexandra region, crime in the Timaru region, and so on.
- 3) 'This reference is more like Central, East, and North Otago or New England whereby the name pertains to a geographical rather than political region. Any claims that the "Nelson Region" page should be deleted would require the deletion of the Otago and New England pages on the same grounds.' See my previous point. None of these areas (areas - none are listed as Regions) can be effectively covered in articles for either Otago or the individual US states without overloading the main articles.
- 4) 'A quick search of Google identified numerous organisations that use the term "Nelson Region".' All of them, except in their headers, use the term "Nelson region", and use it in a vague, loose sense. In the case of the Nelson Regional Development Agency, the first major section of the document that is linked in the article is about how to combine activities of two distinct, non-overlapping authorities, those of Nelson City and Tasman District. The Nelson Mail uses the term in the same way as mentioned above for Alexandra and Timaru, or in the same way as Invercargill, if you prefer. Lonely Planet also uses the term in a very loose sense, also referring to places such as the "Queenstown region" and "Rotorua region". As for the Nelson-Marlborough Institute of Technology, it's probably worth noting that Nelson-Marlborough does not have an article, even though it is a commonly used term.
- Nothing that you have said in any way indicates that this article serves any purpose or is worthwhile - or belongs as a standalone article in Wikipedia. Grutness... wha? 01:05, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
wha? Do want you wish! Your attitude confirms that Wikipedia is dominated by liberal biased administrators. Just remember Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun 125.236.176.24 ( talk) 09:09, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Huh? Grutness... wha? 10:33, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 11:21, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 11:21, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Nelson-Marlborough Regional Council the closest thing there ever was to a Nelson Region.
Daveosaurus (
talk)
11:32, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Or redirecting to Nelson, New Zealand per Gadfium and Stuartyeates would work equally well. Daveosaurus ( talk) 04:50, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Rename to Nelson (geographic region). 222.153.82.76 ( talk) 02:01, 9 May 2017 (UTC) (first edit to WP)
- Redirect to Nelson, New Zealand and tweak Nelson to remove reference to region. Stuartyeates ( talk) 09:04, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - CHAMPION ( talk) ( contributions) ( logs) 23:35, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to Nelson, New Zealand per Stuartyeates.- gadfium 08:20, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to Nelson, New Zealand makes most sense to me. Schwede 66 04:53, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.