- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. As with many school AfDs, the arguments come down to, Lack of independent sources vs, But we keep schools. It's also possible we're looking at a biased sampling of sources because Indian schools tend to not have as much on-line coverage as US schools. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
National English School, Kolkata
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I personally am unable to decipher what is going on with this page...is it about National English School or abt Mangalam Vidya Niketan. That being said none of the subjects have any coverage in reliable sources — F R + 14:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost ( talk) 15:32, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost ( talk) 15:32, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- I've deleted the text pertaining to Mangalam Vidya Niketan and restored a stub for the school. That is a completely different school and some editors had hijacked the article. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:33, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Weak keep and develop The article now refers to the secondary school group as well as a teaching college. I've found one secondary article about the college establishment so far. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Here's a random article about a fight at the school. [1] AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 00:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. General consensus has long been that verifiable secondary schools are notable. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 12:28, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep: a verified high school; sourcing is sufficient for a stub. K.e.coffman ( talk) 18:47, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep as a verified high school. \\\Septrillion:- ~~~~ 10 Eleventeen 20:43, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as lacking significant coverage in independent sources, and hence failing WP:GNG. Cordless Larry ( talk) 21:19, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, a redirect to Baguiati would work as an alternative to deletion. Cordless Larry ( talk) 05:18, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of truly independent sources. The Banner talk 23:17, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Verifiable Senior Secondary Indian school.
WP:GNG does not count here as per
WP:BIAS.--
DBig
Xray
19:57, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- As far as I know every article is judged on its own merits. To my opinion, the keeping of school articles that can not prove their own notability, is a systematic bias towards schools... The Banner talk 23:01, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - We keep high schools for the very good reason that experience shows that, with enough research, sources can invariably be found that meet WP:ORG. Google is a very poor tool for finding sources on Indian schools because, unlike US schools for example, they don't dump everything on the Internet. Indeed, very few have much of an Internet presence at all. We must avoid systemic bias and allow time for local sources to be researched since no evidence has been adduced that this school cannot meet notability requirements. Just Chilling ( talk) 14:10, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- So
Just Chilling, you want to make a point that you have more "experience" in this subject area than a person who lives in
Calcutta itself ? Just FYI, all major dallies be it Bengali, English, etc native to this metropolitan region, have a strong presence on the internet itself. The only two sources found up-till now lack even the depth needed for a decent DYK criteria article. The first from Times of India Nie reads like a press release, the second is
MILL coverage about two kids getting into fight that turned ugly. If you are such a firm believer in
with enough research, sources can invariably be found
, I ask you to get your hands dirty and instead of passing comments on my inability to do a through WP:BEFORE , try and find some of those excellent source you have mentioned above. If you however cannot I would request you to refactor your comment to reflect the same Thanks. — F R + 18:02, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- So
Just Chilling, you want to make a point that you have more "experience" in this subject area than a person who lives in
Calcutta itself ? Just FYI, all major dallies be it Bengali, English, etc native to this metropolitan region, have a strong presence on the internet itself. The only two sources found up-till now lack even the depth needed for a decent DYK criteria article. The first from Times of India Nie reads like a press release, the second is
MILL coverage about two kids getting into fight that turned ugly. If you are such a firm believer in
- Delete - Article lacks notability and proper references. Yashthepunisher ( talk) 05:43, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:04, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:04, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. We keep high schools. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 01:15, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. About 90% of the time even in the most recent year we have kept verifiable high schools, on the basis that they form a reasonable exception-and the purpose for making them an exception is not just thatthey usually can be sourced with enough effort, and make suitable articles for beginners, but even more important, to avoid the potential thousands of debates such as this, which will , based on experience, come out essentially random. There's avirtue in consistency; there's a virtue in not making decisions that have no basis except the people who happen to show up for the discussion and how much effort they want to devote to the argument. (and when the argument, as here, seems to rely on personal knowledge that it is or is not important in its community, that's all the mroe reason. The claim that a person from the city doesn't think them notable and should therefore have the last word can be used to keep or delete almost anything.--its a classic IDONTLIKEIT/IDOLIKEIT argument. DGG ( talk ) 06:35, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable, does not meet GNG. Dearth of independent sources. Curdle ( talk) 07:25, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Calling all bystanders : Someone's trying to delete an article about a school!..
I kid you not!..
Come and join in the fun. -
The Gnome (
talk)
09:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. As with many school AfDs, the arguments come down to, Lack of independent sources vs, But we keep schools. It's also possible we're looking at a biased sampling of sources because Indian schools tend to not have as much on-line coverage as US schools. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
National English School, Kolkata
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- National English School, Kolkata ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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I personally am unable to decipher what is going on with this page...is it about National English School or abt Mangalam Vidya Niketan. That being said none of the subjects have any coverage in reliable sources — F R + 14:58, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost ( talk) 15:32, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost ( talk) 15:32, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- I've deleted the text pertaining to Mangalam Vidya Niketan and restored a stub for the school. That is a completely different school and some editors had hijacked the article. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:33, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Weak keep and develop The article now refers to the secondary school group as well as a teaching college. I've found one secondary article about the college establishment so far. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 18:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Here's a random article about a fight at the school. [1] AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 00:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. General consensus has long been that verifiable secondary schools are notable. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 12:28, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep: a verified high school; sourcing is sufficient for a stub. K.e.coffman ( talk) 18:47, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep as a verified high school. \\\Septrillion:- ~~~~ 10 Eleventeen 20:43, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as lacking significant coverage in independent sources, and hence failing WP:GNG. Cordless Larry ( talk) 21:19, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, a redirect to Baguiati would work as an alternative to deletion. Cordless Larry ( talk) 05:18, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of truly independent sources. The Banner talk 23:17, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Verifiable Senior Secondary Indian school.
WP:GNG does not count here as per
WP:BIAS.--
DBig
Xray
19:57, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- As far as I know every article is judged on its own merits. To my opinion, the keeping of school articles that can not prove their own notability, is a systematic bias towards schools... The Banner talk 23:01, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - We keep high schools for the very good reason that experience shows that, with enough research, sources can invariably be found that meet WP:ORG. Google is a very poor tool for finding sources on Indian schools because, unlike US schools for example, they don't dump everything on the Internet. Indeed, very few have much of an Internet presence at all. We must avoid systemic bias and allow time for local sources to be researched since no evidence has been adduced that this school cannot meet notability requirements. Just Chilling ( talk) 14:10, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- So
Just Chilling, you want to make a point that you have more "experience" in this subject area than a person who lives in
Calcutta itself ? Just FYI, all major dallies be it Bengali, English, etc native to this metropolitan region, have a strong presence on the internet itself. The only two sources found up-till now lack even the depth needed for a decent DYK criteria article. The first from Times of India Nie reads like a press release, the second is
MILL coverage about two kids getting into fight that turned ugly. If you are such a firm believer in
with enough research, sources can invariably be found
, I ask you to get your hands dirty and instead of passing comments on my inability to do a through WP:BEFORE , try and find some of those excellent source you have mentioned above. If you however cannot I would request you to refactor your comment to reflect the same Thanks. — F R + 18:02, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- So
Just Chilling, you want to make a point that you have more "experience" in this subject area than a person who lives in
Calcutta itself ? Just FYI, all major dallies be it Bengali, English, etc native to this metropolitan region, have a strong presence on the internet itself. The only two sources found up-till now lack even the depth needed for a decent DYK criteria article. The first from Times of India Nie reads like a press release, the second is
MILL coverage about two kids getting into fight that turned ugly. If you are such a firm believer in
- Delete - Article lacks notability and proper references. Yashthepunisher ( talk) 05:43, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:04, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:04, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. We keep high schools. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 01:15, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. About 90% of the time even in the most recent year we have kept verifiable high schools, on the basis that they form a reasonable exception-and the purpose for making them an exception is not just thatthey usually can be sourced with enough effort, and make suitable articles for beginners, but even more important, to avoid the potential thousands of debates such as this, which will , based on experience, come out essentially random. There's avirtue in consistency; there's a virtue in not making decisions that have no basis except the people who happen to show up for the discussion and how much effort they want to devote to the argument. (and when the argument, as here, seems to rely on personal knowledge that it is or is not important in its community, that's all the mroe reason. The claim that a person from the city doesn't think them notable and should therefore have the last word can be used to keep or delete almost anything.--its a classic IDONTLIKEIT/IDOLIKEIT argument. DGG ( talk ) 06:35, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable, does not meet GNG. Dearth of independent sources. Curdle ( talk) 07:25, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Calling all bystanders : Someone's trying to delete an article about a school!..
I kid you not!..
Come and join in the fun. -
The Gnome (
talk)
09:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.