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The result was no consensus. T. Canens ( talk) 22:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
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This articles tries to combine three very different elements into one. Each is better served by the separate articles that now exist, i.e. National Curriculum for England, National Curriculum for Wales and National Curriculum for Northern Ireland. MichaelT1979 ( talk) 15:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 ( T· E· C) 03:01, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete -- The article purports to be about three countries. However the content relates only to what the Secretary of State for Education has done. Since education is devolved matter, the content would appear to duplicate National Curriculum for England, but since the title is misleading, it should not be redirected. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:53, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Devolution came several years after the National Curriculum was introduced. References to "National Curriculum" before devolution, such as in Kenneth Baker#Education Secretary, correctly link to this article. The alternatives would be to merge it to Education Reform Act 1988 (probably too much to merge) or to redirect it to National Curriculum for England as the regions of England are the only regions of the UK still under direct rule. Peter James ( talk) 23:23, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild ( talk) 17:53, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild ( talk) 17:53, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. The curriculum is just very different in each country, nothing is added in this article. Szzuk ( talk) 21:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- They may be now but this is (or should be) about the curriculum that was introduced by the
Education Reform Act 1988. Several articles link to it such as the one I had mentioned above.
Peter James (
talk)
18:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- My understanding is that the national curriculum was never national because it didn't include Scotland and with devolution in the late 90s - Wales, NI and England all diverged. So this article describes the history of education from late 80s to late 90s. The article can't describe just this time period (and the Education Reform Act 1988) because the article name dictates otherwise and editors will add content according to the article name - leaving the article the same mess. The only credible option is a rename but that begs the question what for? A history section in the other articles is sufficient. Szzuk ( talk) 21:58, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- They may be now but this is (or should be) about the curriculum that was introduced by the
Education Reform Act 1988. Several articles link to it such as the one I had mentioned above.
Peter James (
talk)
18:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment -- Even before devolution education in Wales and Northern Ireland were dealt with by those offices. Sometimes the same measure was promulgated by all the relevant Secretaries of State together. If kept, the article should be amended to limit it to the period before Welsh and NI devolution, with links to the separate subsequent curricula. Peterkingiron ( talk) 18:27, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:20, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:20, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per Peter - Remove everything after the devolution and the article would make far more sense & would serve a better purpose than it does now.. – Davey2010 Talk 20:31, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per Peterkingiron - Remove everything after devolution and brief explanation and the article would make far more sense & would serve a better purpose than it does now, similarly clip the early parts of England/Wales/NI such that the context of central/devolved curricula and national variations before devolution become clearer. Deletion might cause difficult 'link' problems. Pincrete ( talk) 17:46, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. The article describes a notable historical phenomenon. It should be updated to reflect devolution and the wording should make its historical character immediately apparent. It should link to the National Curriculum for England, the National Curriculum for Wales, the Northern Ireland Curriculum, and the Scottish Curriculum for Excellence. -- Boson ( talk) 14:52, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus. T. Canens ( talk) 22:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- National Curriculum (England, Wales and Northern Ireland) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This articles tries to combine three very different elements into one. Each is better served by the separate articles that now exist, i.e. National Curriculum for England, National Curriculum for Wales and National Curriculum for Northern Ireland. MichaelT1979 ( talk) 15:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 ( T· E· C) 03:01, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 19:31, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Delete -- The article purports to be about three countries. However the content relates only to what the Secretary of State for Education has done. Since education is devolved matter, the content would appear to duplicate National Curriculum for England, but since the title is misleading, it should not be redirected. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:53, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Devolution came several years after the National Curriculum was introduced. References to "National Curriculum" before devolution, such as in Kenneth Baker#Education Secretary, correctly link to this article. The alternatives would be to merge it to Education Reform Act 1988 (probably too much to merge) or to redirect it to National Curriculum for England as the regions of England are the only regions of the UK still under direct rule. Peter James ( talk) 23:23, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild ( talk) 17:53, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild ( talk) 17:53, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. The curriculum is just very different in each country, nothing is added in this article. Szzuk ( talk) 21:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- They may be now but this is (or should be) about the curriculum that was introduced by the
Education Reform Act 1988. Several articles link to it such as the one I had mentioned above.
Peter James (
talk)
18:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- My understanding is that the national curriculum was never national because it didn't include Scotland and with devolution in the late 90s - Wales, NI and England all diverged. So this article describes the history of education from late 80s to late 90s. The article can't describe just this time period (and the Education Reform Act 1988) because the article name dictates otherwise and editors will add content according to the article name - leaving the article the same mess. The only credible option is a rename but that begs the question what for? A history section in the other articles is sufficient. Szzuk ( talk) 21:58, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- They may be now but this is (or should be) about the curriculum that was introduced by the
Education Reform Act 1988. Several articles link to it such as the one I had mentioned above.
Peter James (
talk)
18:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment -- Even before devolution education in Wales and Northern Ireland were dealt with by those offices. Sometimes the same measure was promulgated by all the relevant Secretaries of State together. If kept, the article should be amended to limit it to the period before Welsh and NI devolution, with links to the separate subsequent curricula. Peterkingiron ( talk) 18:27, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:20, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:20, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per Peter - Remove everything after the devolution and the article would make far more sense & would serve a better purpose than it does now.. – Davey2010 Talk 20:31, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per Peterkingiron - Remove everything after devolution and brief explanation and the article would make far more sense & would serve a better purpose than it does now, similarly clip the early parts of England/Wales/NI such that the context of central/devolved curricula and national variations before devolution become clearer. Deletion might cause difficult 'link' problems. Pincrete ( talk) 17:46, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. The article describes a notable historical phenomenon. It should be updated to reflect devolution and the wording should make its historical character immediately apparent. It should link to the National Curriculum for England, the National Curriculum for Wales, the Northern Ireland Curriculum, and the Scottish Curriculum for Excellence. -- Boson ( talk) 14:52, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.