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The result was delete. I would have liked to have seen more detailed analyses of the sources provided, but at least one of them has been convincingly rebutted. Vanamonde93 ( talk) 21:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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I couldn't find anywhere secondary reliable independent sources that would confirm notability. Fails WP:NSOFT. Deltaspace42 ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Computing and Software. Deltaspace42 ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- I noticed that it was PROD'ed before (in 2021), then the creator contested the decision. The proposer removed the PROD tag and decided to AfD it instead but never did. Deltaspace42 ( talk • contribs) 12:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: No evidence of notability. Greenman ( talk) 14:28, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: The
slant.co review of "general-purpose Python web frameworks usable in production sites" includes
a review of Nagare, which mentions a notable (technically significant!) feature: Nagare's innovative use of
continuations, for simpler programming flow. Nagare does not appear to be widely used, and the fact that it is written in Python 2, rather than Python 3, means it has fallen behind the times, but WP:NSOFT says, "software with significant... technical importance... are notable even if they are no longer in widespread use or distribution."
NCdave (
talk)
06:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Those reviews are quite outdated as Nagare has been updated to Python 3 and now works with latest
CPython.
B.orc (
talk)
08:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Cool! Thanks for that info!! NCdave ( talk) 22:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Those reviews are quite outdated as Nagare has been updated to Python 3 and now works with latest
CPython.
B.orc (
talk)
08:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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- Delete per nomination (fail WP:NSOFT). I find the tribia keep explanation given by NCdave to be very unconvincing. बिनोद थारू ( talk) 00:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 13:12, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: While Nagare is not one of the main Python frameworks, it's known by the Python community and thus cited in several reviews / comparaisons as:
- Nagare evaluation by CCP Games company
- Class A Frameworks
- Looking for an effective Python-based web development framework
- Best Python Frameworks For Web Developer
- EuroPython 2012 - The Story Of Sackless Python
- Python Web Frameworks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poirier Alain ( talk • contribs) 00:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Poirier Alain ( talk • contribs) appears to have a close connection with the subject of the article being discussed.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 18:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I couldn't find sources about it that won't be self-published and it's uncommon for notable open-source projects to only have three (two?) contributors in 16 years. PaulT2022 ( talk) 00:49, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.
- Tooncool64 ( talk) 19:44, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. I would have liked to have seen more detailed analyses of the sources provided, but at least one of them has been convincingly rebutted. Vanamonde93 ( talk) 21:58, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
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I couldn't find anywhere secondary reliable independent sources that would confirm notability. Fails WP:NSOFT. Deltaspace42 ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Computing and Software. Deltaspace42 ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- I noticed that it was PROD'ed before (in 2021), then the creator contested the decision. The proposer removed the PROD tag and decided to AfD it instead but never did. Deltaspace42 ( talk • contribs) 12:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: No evidence of notability. Greenman ( talk) 14:28, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: The
slant.co review of "general-purpose Python web frameworks usable in production sites" includes
a review of Nagare, which mentions a notable (technically significant!) feature: Nagare's innovative use of
continuations, for simpler programming flow. Nagare does not appear to be widely used, and the fact that it is written in Python 2, rather than Python 3, means it has fallen behind the times, but WP:NSOFT says, "software with significant... technical importance... are notable even if they are no longer in widespread use or distribution."
NCdave (
talk)
06:01, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Those reviews are quite outdated as Nagare has been updated to Python 3 and now works with latest
CPython.
B.orc (
talk)
08:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Cool! Thanks for that info!! NCdave ( talk) 22:40, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Those reviews are quite outdated as Nagare has been updated to Python 3 and now works with latest
CPython.
B.orc (
talk)
08:42, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:33, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination (fail WP:NSOFT). I find the tribia keep explanation given by NCdave to be very unconvincing. बिनोद थारू ( talk) 00:48, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 13:12, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: While Nagare is not one of the main Python frameworks, it's known by the Python community and thus cited in several reviews / comparaisons as:
- Nagare evaluation by CCP Games company
- Class A Frameworks
- Looking for an effective Python-based web development framework
- Best Python Frameworks For Web Developer
- EuroPython 2012 - The Story Of Sackless Python
- Python Web Frameworks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poirier Alain ( talk • contribs) 00:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Poirier Alain ( talk • contribs) appears to have a close connection with the subject of the article being discussed.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 18:59, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I couldn't find sources about it that won't be self-published and it's uncommon for notable open-source projects to only have three (two?) contributors in 16 years. PaulT2022 ( talk) 00:49, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.
- Tooncool64 ( talk) 19:44, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.