- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Veeam. A couple of people have effectively said " merge and delete", which is not possible due to our content licences. The page history will be preserved and any relevant information can be merged into the Veeam article from it. The article should not be recreated from the redirect without a DRV, if this happens the redirect can be protected. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 10:23, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
N2WS (Veeam)
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I initially attempted to redirect this however it's since been contested. I see no evidence this is notable as a standalone article and am proposing deletion and redirection to Veeam as everything available in the sources here and what I can find are basic acquisition announcements or funding announcements Praxidicae ( talk) 19:58, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
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- Some evidence the subject is notable and should not be redirected
Here is some info from the article that establishes this is not a run-of-the-mill acquisition. N2WS is a market disruptor which was acquired, but remains an independent company, and was declared by analysts to be a strategic acquisition for Veeam:
"The acquisition gives N2WS access to Veeam’s 55,000 resellers and 18,000 cloud service providers. According to an IDC Research Impact Analysis the Veeam N2WS acquisition is potentially strategic. IDC says the majority of new application deployments within the next two years will be in the cloud, and so the cloud-related backup will be among the fastest-growing IaaS sectors in coming years."
Establishing notability for the company itself: "N2WS has 1,000 enterprise customers. The technology is used by Coca-Cola, Southwest Airlines, Cisco, Dyson, Time Inc., Harvard University, and Oracle." The product has also won several awards.
All the information is taken from over 20 reputable sources including The Register, SDX Central, IDC, EWeek, SiliconAngle, CRN, etc.
Finally, according to WP:RDELETE, a redirect can be deleted if it "could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject" - it is proposed to redirect to [Veeam] but the target article has only 1 line about N2WS. Gilad.maayan ( talk) 20:20, 24 June 2019 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Gilad.maayan ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.
- Redirect to Veeam - the information above are passing mentions and act as a coatrack. I do not see there being sufficient material to warrant expanding this to what could already be placed in the main article as a separate section (removing the promo, NPOV format sentences with the merge as well). – The Grid ( talk) 21:22, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 ( talk) 23:53, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete and Redirect all the sources treat the acquisition of this single product by Veeam. Also this is almost certainly undeclared paid editing by a digital marketing agency. I shall be checking the other creations by this editor. --
Dom from Paris (
talk)
14:18, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- But I declared on my user page before writing the article that I represent N2WS. I disclosed that I have a COI. I did not get paid to specifically write this article, we are doing a wide range of content and marketing activities for this company.
- Feel free to check all my contributions to Wikipedia, you will find they are all spotless and of very high quality. You are clearly biased against me or the company I am representing and I intend to report this to higher Wikipedia authorities. Gilad.maayan ( talk) 21:20, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Gilad.maayan ( talk) 07:28, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Domdeparis Did you mean "Delete and merge" or "Merge and Redirect"? HighKing ++ 19:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete and eventually merge if there is anything to merge and create a redirect. If we don't delete and leave the history then you can be sure that someone will just copy from the history and replace the redirect and then the circle will start again. Dom from Paris ( talk) 20:16, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Not a single reference meets the criteria for establishing notability. All of the references are based on company announcements or are primary sources. If there is anything worthwhile in the article it can be merged to Veeam. Topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP. HighKing ++ 19:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- IDC Published an "Impact Analysis" of this acquisition explaining the strategic importance of N2WS technology. Many other media outlets covered the acquisition in depth. How can you say "not a single reference establishes notability"?
Gilad.maayan (
talk)
21:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- How can you make that outrageous accusation!!?? Is it because I'm Irish? Could this be yet more anti-Irish attitudes forced on Wikipedia! You clearly hate everything Irish. (edit: for clarity, that last comment is my sarcastic attempt at highlighting the idiotic nature of the comment by Gilad.maayan and that clearly this type of identity-politics-led nonsense is just that).
HighKing
++
14:30, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- @ Gilad.maayan: That is an outrageous accusation. Accusing someone of being antisemitic without any proof is the kind of personal attack that could be considered a blockable action. Please read WP:WIAPA and I would advise you to redact or strike your comments. Dom from Paris ( talk) 18:38, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- How can you make that outrageous accusation!!?? Is it because I'm Irish? Could this be yet more anti-Irish attitudes forced on Wikipedia! You clearly hate everything Irish. (edit: for clarity, that last comment is my sarcastic attempt at highlighting the idiotic nature of the comment by Gilad.maayan and that clearly this type of identity-politics-led nonsense is just that).
HighKing
++
14:30, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- IDC Published an "Impact Analysis" of this acquisition explaining the strategic importance of N2WS technology. Many other media outlets covered the acquisition in depth. How can you say "not a single reference establishes notability"?
Gilad.maayan (
talk)
21:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Veeam. A couple of people have effectively said " merge and delete", which is not possible due to our content licences. The page history will be preserved and any relevant information can be merged into the Veeam article from it. The article should not be recreated from the redirect without a DRV, if this happens the redirect can be protected. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 10:23, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
N2WS (Veeam)
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I initially attempted to redirect this however it's since been contested. I see no evidence this is notable as a standalone article and am proposing deletion and redirection to Veeam as everything available in the sources here and what I can find are basic acquisition announcements or funding announcements Praxidicae ( talk) 19:58, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- Some evidence the subject is notable and should not be redirected
Here is some info from the article that establishes this is not a run-of-the-mill acquisition. N2WS is a market disruptor which was acquired, but remains an independent company, and was declared by analysts to be a strategic acquisition for Veeam:
"The acquisition gives N2WS access to Veeam’s 55,000 resellers and 18,000 cloud service providers. According to an IDC Research Impact Analysis the Veeam N2WS acquisition is potentially strategic. IDC says the majority of new application deployments within the next two years will be in the cloud, and so the cloud-related backup will be among the fastest-growing IaaS sectors in coming years."
Establishing notability for the company itself: "N2WS has 1,000 enterprise customers. The technology is used by Coca-Cola, Southwest Airlines, Cisco, Dyson, Time Inc., Harvard University, and Oracle." The product has also won several awards.
All the information is taken from over 20 reputable sources including The Register, SDX Central, IDC, EWeek, SiliconAngle, CRN, etc.
Finally, according to WP:RDELETE, a redirect can be deleted if it "could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject" - it is proposed to redirect to [Veeam] but the target article has only 1 line about N2WS. Gilad.maayan ( talk) 20:20, 24 June 2019 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Gilad.maayan ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.
- Redirect to Veeam - the information above are passing mentions and act as a coatrack. I do not see there being sufficient material to warrant expanding this to what could already be placed in the main article as a separate section (removing the promo, NPOV format sentences with the merge as well). – The Grid ( talk) 21:22, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 ( talk) 23:53, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete and Redirect all the sources treat the acquisition of this single product by Veeam. Also this is almost certainly undeclared paid editing by a digital marketing agency. I shall be checking the other creations by this editor. --
Dom from Paris (
talk)
14:18, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- But I declared on my user page before writing the article that I represent N2WS. I disclosed that I have a COI. I did not get paid to specifically write this article, we are doing a wide range of content and marketing activities for this company.
- Feel free to check all my contributions to Wikipedia, you will find they are all spotless and of very high quality. You are clearly biased against me or the company I am representing and I intend to report this to higher Wikipedia authorities. Gilad.maayan ( talk) 21:20, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Gilad.maayan ( talk) 07:28, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Domdeparis Did you mean "Delete and merge" or "Merge and Redirect"? HighKing ++ 19:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete and eventually merge if there is anything to merge and create a redirect. If we don't delete and leave the history then you can be sure that someone will just copy from the history and replace the redirect and then the circle will start again. Dom from Paris ( talk) 20:16, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Not a single reference meets the criteria for establishing notability. All of the references are based on company announcements or are primary sources. If there is anything worthwhile in the article it can be merged to Veeam. Topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP. HighKing ++ 19:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- IDC Published an "Impact Analysis" of this acquisition explaining the strategic importance of N2WS technology. Many other media outlets covered the acquisition in depth. How can you say "not a single reference establishes notability"?
Gilad.maayan (
talk)
21:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- How can you make that outrageous accusation!!?? Is it because I'm Irish? Could this be yet more anti-Irish attitudes forced on Wikipedia! You clearly hate everything Irish. (edit: for clarity, that last comment is my sarcastic attempt at highlighting the idiotic nature of the comment by Gilad.maayan and that clearly this type of identity-politics-led nonsense is just that).
HighKing
++
14:30, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- @ Gilad.maayan: That is an outrageous accusation. Accusing someone of being antisemitic without any proof is the kind of personal attack that could be considered a blockable action. Please read WP:WIAPA and I would advise you to redact or strike your comments. Dom from Paris ( talk) 18:38, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- How can you make that outrageous accusation!!?? Is it because I'm Irish? Could this be yet more anti-Irish attitudes forced on Wikipedia! You clearly hate everything Irish. (edit: for clarity, that last comment is my sarcastic attempt at highlighting the idiotic nature of the comment by Gilad.maayan and that clearly this type of identity-politics-led nonsense is just that).
HighKing
++
14:30, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- IDC Published an "Impact Analysis" of this acquisition explaining the strategic importance of N2WS technology. Many other media outlets covered the acquisition in depth. How can you say "not a single reference establishes notability"?
Gilad.maayan (
talk)
21:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.