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The result was delete. – Joe ( talk) 11:24, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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Another railroad station mistakenly identified as a community by GNIS. Durham calls it a locality on the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railroad. Other references call it a rail facility but no indication that it was ever a community. Except for the name, no evidence of basic notability (and recall, notability is not inherited. Glendoremus ( talk) 00:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 00:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep This location is closely associated with the John Muir National Historic Site. Author and environmentalist John Muir was a successful commercial fruit farmer in the area, operating as a partner in the 2600 acre ranch begun by his father-in-law John Strentzel. This is the site of the 14 room family mansion that still stands today. In 1897, Muir donated the right of way to the railroads coming into the area to improve his access to markets, and one of his daughters was fascinated with the dramatic railroad trestle that was built there in 1899, and the trains and their crews that passed by. The station there was named for Muir, and this is the locale where he wrote most of his famous books, founded the Sierra Club and succeeded in bringing Yosemite National Park under federal control. Muir and his family lived in the mansion from his father-in-law's death in 1890 until his own death in 1914. It is discussed on this National Park Service web page. This article should be improved rather than being deleted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:49, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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John Muir anf the Alhambra Valley Trestle is another publication of the National Park Service that discusses the location in even more detail.
Cullen328
Let's discuss it
03:38, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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Cullen328: Is there anything to the location of Muir that's not associated with the historic site? If not, is there any reason not to merge?
Pi.1415926535 (
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08:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- The historic railroad facilities at Muir are adjacent to but outside the boundaries of the national historic site, Pi.1415926535. The station is gone but the tracks and the gigantic trestle are still in operation. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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Cullen328: Is there anything to the location of Muir that's not associated with the historic site? If not, is there any reason not to merge?
Pi.1415926535 (
talk)
08:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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John Muir anf the Alhambra Valley Trestle is another publication of the National Park Service that discusses the location in even more detail.
Cullen328
Let's discuss it
03:38, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm going to have to go with delete as I don't think merely being named in Muir's honor is enough to justify an article; it's another two-sentences-in-his-article thing. There's clearly no settlement here, in any case. Mangoe ( talk) 19:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete The bit about the trestle and depot should covered by John Muir National Historic Site; there's no sign that this location was independently notable and nothing salvageable in the current stub. – dlthewave ☎ 21:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete No post office. I agree that the trestle should be covered in John Muir National Historic Site, though I added a photo of the trestle to the Muir, Calfornia article. I found a trivial obituary of a Muir resident, but nothing non-trivial about Muir, California. Cxbrx ( talk) 02:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect I suggest to Contra Costa County, California for historical reasons MissiYasında&& ( talk) 18:56, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. – Joe ( talk) 11:24, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
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Another railroad station mistakenly identified as a community by GNIS. Durham calls it a locality on the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railroad. Other references call it a rail facility but no indication that it was ever a community. Except for the name, no evidence of basic notability (and recall, notability is not inherited. Glendoremus ( talk) 00:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 00:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 00:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Keep This location is closely associated with the John Muir National Historic Site. Author and environmentalist John Muir was a successful commercial fruit farmer in the area, operating as a partner in the 2600 acre ranch begun by his father-in-law John Strentzel. This is the site of the 14 room family mansion that still stands today. In 1897, Muir donated the right of way to the railroads coming into the area to improve his access to markets, and one of his daughters was fascinated with the dramatic railroad trestle that was built there in 1899, and the trains and their crews that passed by. The station there was named for Muir, and this is the locale where he wrote most of his famous books, founded the Sierra Club and succeeded in bringing Yosemite National Park under federal control. Muir and his family lived in the mansion from his father-in-law's death in 1890 until his own death in 1914. It is discussed on this National Park Service web page. This article should be improved rather than being deleted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:49, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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John Muir anf the Alhambra Valley Trestle is another publication of the National Park Service that discusses the location in even more detail.
Cullen328
Let's discuss it
03:38, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @
Cullen328: Is there anything to the location of Muir that's not associated with the historic site? If not, is there any reason not to merge?
Pi.1415926535 (
talk)
08:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- The historic railroad facilities at Muir are adjacent to but outside the boundaries of the national historic site, Pi.1415926535. The station is gone but the tracks and the gigantic trestle are still in operation. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:03, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @
Cullen328: Is there anything to the location of Muir that's not associated with the historic site? If not, is there any reason not to merge?
Pi.1415926535 (
talk)
08:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
-
John Muir anf the Alhambra Valley Trestle is another publication of the National Park Service that discusses the location in even more detail.
Cullen328
Let's discuss it
03:38, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm going to have to go with delete as I don't think merely being named in Muir's honor is enough to justify an article; it's another two-sentences-in-his-article thing. There's clearly no settlement here, in any case. Mangoe ( talk) 19:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete The bit about the trestle and depot should covered by John Muir National Historic Site; there's no sign that this location was independently notable and nothing salvageable in the current stub. – dlthewave ☎ 21:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete No post office. I agree that the trestle should be covered in John Muir National Historic Site, though I added a photo of the trestle to the Muir, Calfornia article. I found a trivial obituary of a Muir resident, but nothing non-trivial about Muir, California. Cxbrx ( talk) 02:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Redirect I suggest to Contra Costa County, California for historical reasons MissiYasında&& ( talk) 18:56, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.