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The result was delete. Missvain ( talk) 19:55, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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Current sources doesn't meets WP:GNG Sliekid ( talk) 11:48, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Question - Does Vastina House pass WP:NBUILD? Appreciate a second opinion. Heritage listing? Irish Times Spiderone 12:52, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:NORG. Might be something in here that's notable, but it's not currently in this article. SportingFlyer T· C 22:30, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: I don't see it listed in the Westmeath county listing of Irish national monuments here. ww2censor ( talk) 00:18, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep per WP:GEOFEAT. Yes, several buildings here are listed on the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage. [1] [2] [3] [4] But repurpose and rename, as Vastina House is the main topic here. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 12:23, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
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Comment: While you found Vastina House in the inventory, it is not a listed historic building, so I think without better coverage even under that name it is not notable enough.
ww2censor (
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18:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- They may not be National Monuments, but I think inclusion on the NIAH meets the requirements of
WP:GEOFEAT. Buildings of Regional importance (which Vastina House and two other buildings are) are classified as Protected Sites by the Irish government, so yes, they are listed historic buildings at a national level. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
10:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. A correction here. As I have seen the NIAH mentioned (and misrepresented) in other AfD discussions.
- The NIAH catalogue is not a record of protected structures. Just because Vastina House is listed in the NIAH it does not, de facto, mean that it is a protected structure. Any more than these four steps in Wexford are protected. Or this 1980s postbox in Dublin is protected. They are not.
- Vastina House however is a protected structure. Not because it was catalogued by the NIAH. But because it was included by Westmeath County Council on their Record of Protected Stuctures (ref # 032-006).
- In short, yes, Vastina House is a protected structure. And may meet GEOFEAT as a result. But not because of its NIAH listing. The NIAH is not a catalogue of protected protected. It's just not.
- Cheers. Guliolopez ( talk) 15:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- They may not be National Monuments, but I think inclusion on the NIAH meets the requirements of
WP:GEOFEAT. Buildings of Regional importance (which Vastina House and two other buildings are) are classified as Protected Sites by the Irish government, so yes, they are listed historic buildings at a national level. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
10:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
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- I don't really have a problem if someone wants to write an article on Vestina House, which may or may not be notable, but at the moment, this is not that article, which is about a non-notable wedding venue organisation, not a building. SportingFlyer T· C 16:38, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Per SportingFlyer, Vastina House might be notable as a separate article but the wedding venue is not. Reywas92 Talk 19:50, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:GNG, NORG, WP:SIGCOV, WP:MILL, and WP:TNT. I can't see how this place is notable. As an organization, a wedding venue or party company is rarely notable (a party store run by the father-in-law of the William, Duke of Cambridge might be an exception), and I don't see how two articles about it means significant coverage. To be blunt, it's run of the mill. Creating an article on one building owned by the facility would demand a complete re-write. Bearian ( talk) 22:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Per nom, WP:NORG and WP:GNG. As a building potentially associated with the subject has been mentioned in the thread, I would note that WP:NOTINHERIT also applies. (Some of the structures associated with this wedding venue/events company might be protected structures, but that does not mean the company associated with them inherits any notability. Any more than people or businesses associated with Westmeath protected structure # 019-041 (a drainage system vent) or # 019-065 (a section of limestone kerbing) might do. Protected structures are not automatically notable. Businesses are not automatically notable. Businesses associated with protected structures are not automatically notable. There is no evidence that this business meets any other notability criteria.) Guliolopez ( talk) 02:37, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Missvain ( talk) 19:55, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
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Current sources doesn't meets WP:GNG Sliekid ( talk) 11:48, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:29, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 12:51, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Question - Does Vastina House pass WP:NBUILD? Appreciate a second opinion. Heritage listing? Irish Times Spiderone 12:52, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:NORG. Might be something in here that's notable, but it's not currently in this article. SportingFlyer T· C 22:30, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: I don't see it listed in the Westmeath county listing of Irish national monuments here. ww2censor ( talk) 00:18, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 03:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep per WP:GEOFEAT. Yes, several buildings here are listed on the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage. [1] [2] [3] [4] But repurpose and rename, as Vastina House is the main topic here. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 12:23, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
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Comment: While you found Vastina House in the inventory, it is not a listed historic building, so I think without better coverage even under that name it is not notable enough.
ww2censor (
talk)
18:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- They may not be National Monuments, but I think inclusion on the NIAH meets the requirements of
WP:GEOFEAT. Buildings of Regional importance (which Vastina House and two other buildings are) are classified as Protected Sites by the Irish government, so yes, they are listed historic buildings at a national level. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
10:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. A correction here. As I have seen the NIAH mentioned (and misrepresented) in other AfD discussions.
- The NIAH catalogue is not a record of protected structures. Just because Vastina House is listed in the NIAH it does not, de facto, mean that it is a protected structure. Any more than these four steps in Wexford are protected. Or this 1980s postbox in Dublin is protected. They are not.
- Vastina House however is a protected structure. Not because it was catalogued by the NIAH. But because it was included by Westmeath County Council on their Record of Protected Stuctures (ref # 032-006).
- In short, yes, Vastina House is a protected structure. And may meet GEOFEAT as a result. But not because of its NIAH listing. The NIAH is not a catalogue of protected protected. It's just not.
- Cheers. Guliolopez ( talk) 15:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- They may not be National Monuments, but I think inclusion on the NIAH meets the requirements of
WP:GEOFEAT. Buildings of Regional importance (which Vastina House and two other buildings are) are classified as Protected Sites by the Irish government, so yes, they are listed historic buildings at a national level. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
10:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
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- I don't really have a problem if someone wants to write an article on Vestina House, which may or may not be notable, but at the moment, this is not that article, which is about a non-notable wedding venue organisation, not a building. SportingFlyer T· C 16:38, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Per SportingFlyer, Vastina House might be notable as a separate article but the wedding venue is not. Reywas92 Talk 19:50, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:GNG, NORG, WP:SIGCOV, WP:MILL, and WP:TNT. I can't see how this place is notable. As an organization, a wedding venue or party company is rarely notable (a party store run by the father-in-law of the William, Duke of Cambridge might be an exception), and I don't see how two articles about it means significant coverage. To be blunt, it's run of the mill. Creating an article on one building owned by the facility would demand a complete re-write. Bearian ( talk) 22:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Per nom, WP:NORG and WP:GNG. As a building potentially associated with the subject has been mentioned in the thread, I would note that WP:NOTINHERIT also applies. (Some of the structures associated with this wedding venue/events company might be protected structures, but that does not mean the company associated with them inherits any notability. Any more than people or businesses associated with Westmeath protected structure # 019-041 (a drainage system vent) or # 019-065 (a section of limestone kerbing) might do. Protected structures are not automatically notable. Businesses are not automatically notable. Businesses associated with protected structures are not automatically notable. There is no evidence that this business meets any other notability criteria.) Guliolopez ( talk) 02:37, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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