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The result was delete. Since there is no confirmed sourcing for where this should be redirected Spartaz Humbug! 09:17, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Mohave Crossing, Arizona
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Non-notable, area which fails WP:GEOLAND and WP:GNG. Lightburst ( talk) 01:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 02:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 02:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - seems to be a bit of retaliatory nom (along with 4 other articles) for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John McHugh Sr., which now seems to be headed for the deletion. And since this editor has never shown a propensity for Arizona geography articles. Passes WP:GEOLAND, since, according to GNIS it is has a "an official federally recognized name." Onel5969 TT me 03:01, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment My !voting record and AfD participation is available for anyone to see. I participate on multiple AfDs across every subject. I am sure Onel5969 has acted in good faith in creating these many non-notable Geoland articles. Unfortunately the fifty or so articles must all be nominated since they do not come close to satisfying SNG or GNG. Since the many articles created are not Legally recognized per the SNG of WP:GEOLAND - they must then pass WP:GNG as Populated places without legal recognition. They clearly do not pass. Lightburst ( talk) 03:32, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect. This is clearly not a populated place under GEOLAND#1, nor does it meet GNG as required under GEOLAND2. Searching indicates "Mohave Crossroads Shopping Center" in Bullhead City is sometimes confused with "Mohave Crossing". The actual "Mohave Crossing" is a point on maps about 15 miles north of Fort Mohave. I've found one source that says the ferry crossing of the Colorado River at Fort Mohave was commonly called Mojave Crossing (The Civil War in Arizona). So this may be an alternate name for Beale's Crossing, however the coordinates are off. Looking at satellite images, the coords given for Mohave Crossing just don't look like a likely place for any traveled path - it looks more likely that Mohave Crossing was at Fort Mohave. This should probably redirect to Beale's Crossing, but it would be nice to have another source to confirm that (and maybe some explanation of why the coordinates are wrong). MB 05:38, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete No evidence this river crossing is a notable place; GNIS has incorrectly classified many crossings as populated places and that is still not basis for an article. Unsure about this redirect possibility. Reywas92 Talk 09:42, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - just to correct some misconceptions regarding GNIS and whether or not they are a reliable source for this type of Gazetteer information. All the following information is taken directly from the USGS website (emphasis added is mine):
- The U.S. Board on Geographic Names (BGN) is a Federal body created in 1890 and established in its present form by Public Law in 1947 to maintain uniform geographic name usage throughout the Federal Government.
- Decisions of the BGN were accepted as binding by all departments and agencies of the Federal Government.
- It serves the Federal Government and the public as a central authority to which name problems, name inquiries, name changes, and new name proposals can be directed.
- The GNIS Feature ID, Official Feature Name, and Official Feature Location are American National Standards Institute standards.
- The database holds the Federally recognized name of each feature and defines the feature location by state, county, USGS topographic map, and geographic coordinates. Onel5969 TT me 02:20, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes 17:14, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes 17:14, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Since there is no confirmed sourcing for where this should be redirected Spartaz Humbug! 09:17, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Mohave Crossing, Arizona
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Non-notable, area which fails WP:GEOLAND and WP:GNG. Lightburst ( talk) 01:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 02:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Lightburst ( talk) 02:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - seems to be a bit of retaliatory nom (along with 4 other articles) for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John McHugh Sr., which now seems to be headed for the deletion. And since this editor has never shown a propensity for Arizona geography articles. Passes WP:GEOLAND, since, according to GNIS it is has a "an official federally recognized name." Onel5969 TT me 03:01, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment My !voting record and AfD participation is available for anyone to see. I participate on multiple AfDs across every subject. I am sure Onel5969 has acted in good faith in creating these many non-notable Geoland articles. Unfortunately the fifty or so articles must all be nominated since they do not come close to satisfying SNG or GNG. Since the many articles created are not Legally recognized per the SNG of WP:GEOLAND - they must then pass WP:GNG as Populated places without legal recognition. They clearly do not pass. Lightburst ( talk) 03:32, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect. This is clearly not a populated place under GEOLAND#1, nor does it meet GNG as required under GEOLAND2. Searching indicates "Mohave Crossroads Shopping Center" in Bullhead City is sometimes confused with "Mohave Crossing". The actual "Mohave Crossing" is a point on maps about 15 miles north of Fort Mohave. I've found one source that says the ferry crossing of the Colorado River at Fort Mohave was commonly called Mojave Crossing (The Civil War in Arizona). So this may be an alternate name for Beale's Crossing, however the coordinates are off. Looking at satellite images, the coords given for Mohave Crossing just don't look like a likely place for any traveled path - it looks more likely that Mohave Crossing was at Fort Mohave. This should probably redirect to Beale's Crossing, but it would be nice to have another source to confirm that (and maybe some explanation of why the coordinates are wrong). MB 05:38, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete No evidence this river crossing is a notable place; GNIS has incorrectly classified many crossings as populated places and that is still not basis for an article. Unsure about this redirect possibility. Reywas92 Talk 09:42, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - just to correct some misconceptions regarding GNIS and whether or not they are a reliable source for this type of Gazetteer information. All the following information is taken directly from the USGS website (emphasis added is mine):
- The U.S. Board on Geographic Names (BGN) is a Federal body created in 1890 and established in its present form by Public Law in 1947 to maintain uniform geographic name usage throughout the Federal Government.
- Decisions of the BGN were accepted as binding by all departments and agencies of the Federal Government.
- It serves the Federal Government and the public as a central authority to which name problems, name inquiries, name changes, and new name proposals can be directed.
- The GNIS Feature ID, Official Feature Name, and Official Feature Location are American National Standards Institute standards.
- The database holds the Federally recognized name of each feature and defines the feature location by state, county, USGS topographic map, and geographic coordinates. Onel5969 TT me 02:20, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes 17:14, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lourdes 17:14, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.