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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 11:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Mohammadabad (32°40′ N 51°57′ E), Qahab-e Jonubi
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Fails WP:GEOLAND#1 and WP:GNG. And also:
Both of these "villages" (really, abadi, which are reference points used in the Iranian census, and can be unpopulated, or simply factories/farms/shops/pumps used as reference points) have exactly the same name and are therefore indistinguishable. The co-ordinates in one case point to
an empty field near a town called
Khatunabad, and in the other point to
a village that appears to have the real name of
Sosart. The only sources are the Iranian census (which does not confer legal recognition) and GEOnet Names Server (
which is unreliable for whether a place is or was ever populated and contains many errors). Incidentally it is not clear at all where the co-ordinates used in these articles comes from.
These articles really do demonstrate that all of Carlossuarez46's Iranian Abadi articles sourced only to the Iranian census and/or GEOnet Names Server or similar sources, and not improved since creation by anyone else, should be deleted. Even where the name indicates that there may be a village (although it is equally possible that these are neighbourhoods within larger settlements, or groupings of more than one settlement), it is then not possible to confirm whether or not the actual location does exist making them a
WP:V fail. It's beyond time just to call
WP:TNT on this whole mess. Particularly where an editor has resorted to using co-ordinates to distinguish one settlement from another when naming the article and those co-ordinates turn out to be wrong (and a
WP:CRITERIA/
WP:COMMONNAME fail to boot) this indicates definite problems.
FOARP (
talk)
09:43, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Iran. FOARP ( talk) 09:43, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- The coordinates are probably from GEOnet Names Server as they are in GeoNames: https://www.geonames.org/418622/mohammadabad.html and https://www.geonames.org/418623/mohammadabad.html. If they are correct the second is now in the city of Isfahan. Persian Wikipedia uses "(Qahab-e Jonubi, east)" and "(Qahab-e Jonubi, west)" for disambiguation. Peter James ( talk) 14:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for responding here Peter. The issue here is that GeoNames is a wiki-like source and thus not reliable, and even if it were reliable the co-ordinates point to locations that are not obviously associated with any place called Mohammadabad (and so are unreliable in their own terms). Similarly even if there are listings on GEOnet Names Server this is an unreliable source (in this case even for the co-ordinates which are clearly wrong). Renaming as on FA Wiki makes no sense unless there is sourcing to substantiate the existence of these places as legally-recognised populated places, which FA Wiki does not help with because it is cited to English Wikipedia (again showing the harm that these negligently-created articles causes by propagating fake information on the internet and citogenesis). FOARP ( talk) 16:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:V, since we don't have a reliable source saying the place exists. The Iranian census and the GEOnet Names Server don't count. The Persian Wikipedia entry only cites the Iranian census as well. Hut 8.5 20:03, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Cannot be easily distinguished in search engine due to having the same name (along with many others) and being within the same rural district ( Qahab-e Jonubi Rural District), and coordinates failed WP:V. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 02:57, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 11:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Mohammadabad (32°40′ N 51°57′ E), Qahab-e Jonubi
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Fails WP:GEOLAND#1 and WP:GNG. And also:
Both of these "villages" (really, abadi, which are reference points used in the Iranian census, and can be unpopulated, or simply factories/farms/shops/pumps used as reference points) have exactly the same name and are therefore indistinguishable. The co-ordinates in one case point to
an empty field near a town called
Khatunabad, and in the other point to
a village that appears to have the real name of
Sosart. The only sources are the Iranian census (which does not confer legal recognition) and GEOnet Names Server (
which is unreliable for whether a place is or was ever populated and contains many errors). Incidentally it is not clear at all where the co-ordinates used in these articles comes from.
These articles really do demonstrate that all of Carlossuarez46's Iranian Abadi articles sourced only to the Iranian census and/or GEOnet Names Server or similar sources, and not improved since creation by anyone else, should be deleted. Even where the name indicates that there may be a village (although it is equally possible that these are neighbourhoods within larger settlements, or groupings of more than one settlement), it is then not possible to confirm whether or not the actual location does exist making them a
WP:V fail. It's beyond time just to call
WP:TNT on this whole mess. Particularly where an editor has resorted to using co-ordinates to distinguish one settlement from another when naming the article and those co-ordinates turn out to be wrong (and a
WP:CRITERIA/
WP:COMMONNAME fail to boot) this indicates definite problems.
FOARP (
talk)
09:43, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Iran. FOARP ( talk) 09:43, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- The coordinates are probably from GEOnet Names Server as they are in GeoNames: https://www.geonames.org/418622/mohammadabad.html and https://www.geonames.org/418623/mohammadabad.html. If they are correct the second is now in the city of Isfahan. Persian Wikipedia uses "(Qahab-e Jonubi, east)" and "(Qahab-e Jonubi, west)" for disambiguation. Peter James ( talk) 14:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for responding here Peter. The issue here is that GeoNames is a wiki-like source and thus not reliable, and even if it were reliable the co-ordinates point to locations that are not obviously associated with any place called Mohammadabad (and so are unreliable in their own terms). Similarly even if there are listings on GEOnet Names Server this is an unreliable source (in this case even for the co-ordinates which are clearly wrong). Renaming as on FA Wiki makes no sense unless there is sourcing to substantiate the existence of these places as legally-recognised populated places, which FA Wiki does not help with because it is cited to English Wikipedia (again showing the harm that these negligently-created articles causes by propagating fake information on the internet and citogenesis). FOARP ( talk) 16:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:V, since we don't have a reliable source saying the place exists. The Iranian census and the GEOnet Names Server don't count. The Persian Wikipedia entry only cites the Iranian census as well. Hut 8.5 20:03, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Cannot be easily distinguished in search engine due to having the same name (along with many others) and being within the same rural district ( Qahab-e Jonubi Rural District), and coordinates failed WP:V. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 02:57, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
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