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The result was keep. Tone 08:48, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Minnesota Atheists
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Local branch of national society. We do not usually make articles for these; the references, obviously enough, are local announcements of local events. This is an excellent example of why that is a good policy. All the main article needs is an indication that there are state chapters, and where to find a listing of them on the main national site. DGG ( talk ) 10:09, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep as it appears there's sufficient citation provided in the article to demonstrate some notability of this specific group called "Minnesota Atheists". But I'd like an explanation from the nom about his or her reasons stated - a) a chapter of a national organization and b) "we don't usually make articles for these". The wiki article on this group claims they are affiliated with other organizations but doesn't state that they are a "local branch" so that would need to be demonstrated, and then I'd like to see the specific Wikipedia guideline discourages article creation of local chapters. I'm not saying there is no such guideline, I'm just not familiar with it. I'm sure, for example, that each city's United Way chapter probably shouldn't have their own article, but then I would also want to hear arguments for and against. //// Regardless, a straight look at this article up for AfD appears to be a clear Keep to me without any additional information. - Markeer 20:18, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- Leaning Delete citations are mostly WP:LOCAL, and nothing sets it apart from its parent organization. Some info from article could be put into the American Atheists Association article in future expansions, but this article is a delete. IlluminatingTrooper ( talk) 05:26, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
- CommentI mentioned this in my note above yours, but is there a citation showing that this organization has a parent org? Their website lists some affiliations but otherwise seems to be presenting themselves an independent org. As I mention above, I'd really like some cited evidence of this being a client/child organization if that's a primary reason for deleting. - Markeer 18:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. It clearly falls outside the ambit of Wikipedia:Notability (local interests). It is well-referenced and has coverage in the largest media organizations in the state, and some national coverage. And while it is affiliated with national organizations, there is nothing to indicate that is it a chapter of them. Kablammo ( talk) 15:26, 24 September 2019 (UTC) And even if it were, we have an entire category for Roman Catholic dioceses in the United States. Kablammo ( talk) 18:44, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:57, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:57, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 16:42, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 16:42, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Local but has enough coverage to stand as an article Alex-h ( talk) 11:59, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Statewide organizations are generally considered non-local per Wikipedia:Notability (local interests). In any case, passes WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Tone 08:48, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Minnesota Atheists
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Local branch of national society. We do not usually make articles for these; the references, obviously enough, are local announcements of local events. This is an excellent example of why that is a good policy. All the main article needs is an indication that there are state chapters, and where to find a listing of them on the main national site. DGG ( talk ) 10:09, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 10:18, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Minnesota-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 10:18, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- Keep as it appears there's sufficient citation provided in the article to demonstrate some notability of this specific group called "Minnesota Atheists". But I'd like an explanation from the nom about his or her reasons stated - a) a chapter of a national organization and b) "we don't usually make articles for these". The wiki article on this group claims they are affiliated with other organizations but doesn't state that they are a "local branch" so that would need to be demonstrated, and then I'd like to see the specific Wikipedia guideline discourages article creation of local chapters. I'm not saying there is no such guideline, I'm just not familiar with it. I'm sure, for example, that each city's United Way chapter probably shouldn't have their own article, but then I would also want to hear arguments for and against. //// Regardless, a straight look at this article up for AfD appears to be a clear Keep to me without any additional information. - Markeer 20:18, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- Leaning Delete citations are mostly WP:LOCAL, and nothing sets it apart from its parent organization. Some info from article could be put into the American Atheists Association article in future expansions, but this article is a delete. IlluminatingTrooper ( talk) 05:26, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
- CommentI mentioned this in my note above yours, but is there a citation showing that this organization has a parent org? Their website lists some affiliations but otherwise seems to be presenting themselves an independent org. As I mention above, I'd really like some cited evidence of this being a client/child organization if that's a primary reason for deleting. - Markeer 18:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. It clearly falls outside the ambit of Wikipedia:Notability (local interests). It is well-referenced and has coverage in the largest media organizations in the state, and some national coverage. And while it is affiliated with national organizations, there is nothing to indicate that is it a chapter of them. Kablammo ( talk) 15:26, 24 September 2019 (UTC) And even if it were, we have an entire category for Roman Catholic dioceses in the United States. Kablammo ( talk) 18:44, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:57, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:57, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 16:42, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 16:42, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Local but has enough coverage to stand as an article Alex-h ( talk) 11:59, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Statewide organizations are generally considered non-local per Wikipedia:Notability (local interests). In any case, passes WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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