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The result was delete. Owen× ☎ 21:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Minnesota–Penn State football rivalry
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This was soft deleted earlier this year and recreated, however the previous rationale for deleting this article remains, in that there is a lack of WP:SIGCOV from reliable secondary sources to meet the WP:NRIVALRY or WP:GNG. Don't think this qualifies for a speedy deletion, so bringing it to AfD. Let'srun ( talk) 20:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports, American football, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania. Let'srun ( talk) 20:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Nom has the right of this; there's nothing here that indicates this is a notable rivalry. Fails WP:SIRS so fails WP:GNG. UtherSRG (talk) 21:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a general practice, we have avoided sports rivalry articles unless there is a great deal of history and coverage. To me, this one doesn't meet muster or spirit for inclusion. I encourage enthusiastic editors to try another wiki such as an online sports almanac for details like this.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 18:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Kablammo ( talk) 19:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete fails GNG as a non-notable football series. Even though the teams have a traveling trophy, that does not guarantee a "rivalry" article. There is no significant coverage of these two teams as being rivals. Frank Anchor 18:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and Rename to Governor's Victory Bell. The trophy and series between the teams is notable and meets GNG per the sources below (and others), which have been written regularly since the trophy was first awarded in 1993. The sources specifically call out the trophy's creation with regards to Penn State's membership in the Big Ten, a conference well known for a multitude of trophies.
- https://www.newspapers.com/article/centre-daily-times-lions-gophers-to-bat/149782121/
- https://www.newspapers.com/article/centre-daily-times-ring-that-bell-nitta/149783217/
- https://www.newspapers.com/article/pittsburgh-post-gazette-trophy-rings-bel/149782241/
- https://www.newspapers.com/article/kenosha-news-broken-trophy-no-problem-fo/149782393/
- https://www.newspapers.com/article/lnp-always-lancaster-so-so-many-trophie/149783811/
- There is no requirement that a Wikipedia article on the history of competition between two teams must be a capital-"R" RIVALRY. An article can be written about a series or a trophy, assuming it meets GNG and the significant coverage goes beyond
WP:ROUTINE recaps of the games, which the sources above do.
PK-WIKI (
talk)
19:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- These references all basically explain that the trophy is awarded to the winner of the game, surrounded by other
WP:ROUTINE coverage (such as a pre/postgame report or a list of other traveling trophies). It does nothing to describe a rivalry between the two teams, and a traveling trophy is not inherently notable. In addition, if the article is kept, which I oppose, I believe the name should stay as is; articles about other college football games played for a traveling trophy are named "X-Y rivalry" and not after the trophy.
Frank
Anchor
20:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- The references don't need to describe a rivalry between the teams, as there is no requirement that teams must be "rivals" to write a Wikipedia article about their notable series or trophy. The references above do provide significant, non-routine coverage of the trophy and series, making this article an easy keep under the name Governor's Victory Bell.
- There are plenty of series listed at List of NCAA college football rivalry games where the article takes the name of the trophy, such as Wagon Wheel (trophy), Governor's Cup (Kentucky), Jefferson-Eppes Trophy, Gansz Trophy, Victory Bell (Cincinnati–Miami), etc. Those are far better names than "...football series" in my opinion, in cases such as this where "...football rivalry" is perhaps inappropriate or "not a true rivalry".
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PK-WIKI (
talk)
20:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Still a non-notable series. The presence of a traveling trophy and the routine coverage you mentioned earlier does not change that. Frank Anchor 01:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- These references all basically explain that the trophy is awarded to the winner of the game, surrounded by other
WP:ROUTINE coverage (such as a pre/postgame report or a list of other traveling trophies). It does nothing to describe a rivalry between the two teams, and a traveling trophy is not inherently notable. In addition, if the article is kept, which I oppose, I believe the name should stay as is; articles about other college football games played for a traveling trophy are named "X-Y rivalry" and not after the trophy.
Frank
Anchor
20:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Owen× ☎ 21:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Minnesota–Penn State football rivalry
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- Minnesota–Penn State football rivalry ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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This was soft deleted earlier this year and recreated, however the previous rationale for deleting this article remains, in that there is a lack of WP:SIGCOV from reliable secondary sources to meet the WP:NRIVALRY or WP:GNG. Don't think this qualifies for a speedy deletion, so bringing it to AfD. Let'srun ( talk) 20:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports, American football, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania. Let'srun ( talk) 20:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Nom has the right of this; there's nothing here that indicates this is a notable rivalry. Fails WP:SIRS so fails WP:GNG. UtherSRG (talk) 21:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as a general practice, we have avoided sports rivalry articles unless there is a great deal of history and coverage. To me, this one doesn't meet muster or spirit for inclusion. I encourage enthusiastic editors to try another wiki such as an online sports almanac for details like this.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 18:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Kablammo ( talk) 19:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete fails GNG as a non-notable football series. Even though the teams have a traveling trophy, that does not guarantee a "rivalry" article. There is no significant coverage of these two teams as being rivals. Frank Anchor 18:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and Rename to Governor's Victory Bell. The trophy and series between the teams is notable and meets GNG per the sources below (and others), which have been written regularly since the trophy was first awarded in 1993. The sources specifically call out the trophy's creation with regards to Penn State's membership in the Big Ten, a conference well known for a multitude of trophies.
- https://www.newspapers.com/article/centre-daily-times-lions-gophers-to-bat/149782121/
- https://www.newspapers.com/article/centre-daily-times-ring-that-bell-nitta/149783217/
- https://www.newspapers.com/article/pittsburgh-post-gazette-trophy-rings-bel/149782241/
- https://www.newspapers.com/article/kenosha-news-broken-trophy-no-problem-fo/149782393/
- https://www.newspapers.com/article/lnp-always-lancaster-so-so-many-trophie/149783811/
- There is no requirement that a Wikipedia article on the history of competition between two teams must be a capital-"R" RIVALRY. An article can be written about a series or a trophy, assuming it meets GNG and the significant coverage goes beyond
WP:ROUTINE recaps of the games, which the sources above do.
PK-WIKI (
talk)
19:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- These references all basically explain that the trophy is awarded to the winner of the game, surrounded by other
WP:ROUTINE coverage (such as a pre/postgame report or a list of other traveling trophies). It does nothing to describe a rivalry between the two teams, and a traveling trophy is not inherently notable. In addition, if the article is kept, which I oppose, I believe the name should stay as is; articles about other college football games played for a traveling trophy are named "X-Y rivalry" and not after the trophy.
Frank
Anchor
20:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- The references don't need to describe a rivalry between the teams, as there is no requirement that teams must be "rivals" to write a Wikipedia article about their notable series or trophy. The references above do provide significant, non-routine coverage of the trophy and series, making this article an easy keep under the name Governor's Victory Bell.
- There are plenty of series listed at List of NCAA college football rivalry games where the article takes the name of the trophy, such as Wagon Wheel (trophy), Governor's Cup (Kentucky), Jefferson-Eppes Trophy, Gansz Trophy, Victory Bell (Cincinnati–Miami), etc. Those are far better names than "...football series" in my opinion, in cases such as this where "...football rivalry" is perhaps inappropriate or "not a true rivalry".
-
PK-WIKI (
talk)
20:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- Still a non-notable series. The presence of a traveling trophy and the routine coverage you mentioned earlier does not change that. Frank Anchor 01:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
- These references all basically explain that the trophy is awarded to the winner of the game, surrounded by other
WP:ROUTINE coverage (such as a pre/postgame report or a list of other traveling trophies). It does nothing to describe a rivalry between the two teams, and a traveling trophy is not inherently notable. In addition, if the article is kept, which I oppose, I believe the name should stay as is; articles about other college football games played for a traveling trophy are named "X-Y rivalry" and not after the trophy.
Frank
Anchor
20:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.