- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. There is clear, policy-based consensus. (non-admin closure) Jack Frost ( talk) 08:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Millie, New South Wales ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Categorized as a "town" in New South Wales, but is very clearly not a whole town. The Australian Place Names gazetteer shows it as a locality, and this Australian tourism site mentions it as a crossroads, this book from 1889 calls it a "pastoral holding". There's a bunch of GBooks results where it appears in name only, basically listed as a placename with no elaboration. I think it's fairly clear that it doesn't meet WP:GEOLAND as either a legally recognized entity, or a notable non-recognized populated place. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 06:04, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 06:04, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep 28 people live there, according to the 2016 Australian census. Passes WP:GEOLAND. Needs improving. SportingFlyer T· C 06:08, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, a defined locality, even if the current article is very poor.-- Grahame ( talk) 02:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- leaning keep This is a former town which for some reason the Australian census is keeping on the books. The census data actually covers a considerable area in which the point marked as Millie sits at one edge; three families totalling twenty-eight people is a group of farms, not a town, which is exactly what GMaps shows. The only decent historical evidence is the war memorial registry entry, which links to some articles from the 1900-1901 era which describe the erection of the memorial in terms which make clear that there used to be a town there, but there certainly is not one now. I'm having some trouble with the exact location of the memorial, as different sites give different coordinates, and the aerials aren't high enough resolution to locate it. My qualms about keeping this stem from the necessary synthesis in putting this all together: the census doesn't say explicitly what the area of Millie is supposed to be, and one can only tell the town is not there by looking. But 28 people is certainly not the population of a town named Millie, and besides the memorial, that's about all there is to work with. Mangoe ( talk) 15:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: the defined locality is
Millie as shown by openstreetmap.--
Grahame (
talk)
02:27, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Permit me to clarify: what I cannot see from the census data is how they classify this area.
Mangoe (
talk)
03:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- The census data is for exactly the same areas as shown on its map. Census data is now shown for state defined localities.-- Grahame ( talk) 04:19, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Permit me to clarify: what I cannot see from the census data is how they classify this area.
Mangoe (
talk)
03:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, the article will likely never progress beyond a stub but it is clearly a place. Cavalryman ( talk) 08:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC).
- Keep: Defined locality. I can see old newspaper articles about it too. [1] ("We will now proceed to Millie, which consists of an hotel, and post and telegraph office, and a police station about three miles away...." and goes on to discuss all the local residents of the area in 1897); there are many newspaper mentions, e.g.,: [2] [3] [4]. It is hard to say Millie was ever a "town", but it was definitely a community name applied to the residents of its immediate area.-- Milowent • has spoken 11:56, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 07:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - clear pass of GEOLAND, as a community with a known population. −−− Cactus Jack 🌵 07:36, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, meets WP:NGEO as a populated, legally recognized place. ps. it is a parish, recorded by the ABS as a SSC (ie. state suburb). Coolabahapple ( talk) 07:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Definitely meets GEOLAND. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 15:08, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. There is clear, policy-based consensus. (non-admin closure) Jack Frost ( talk) 08:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Millie, New South Wales ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Categorized as a "town" in New South Wales, but is very clearly not a whole town. The Australian Place Names gazetteer shows it as a locality, and this Australian tourism site mentions it as a crossroads, this book from 1889 calls it a "pastoral holding". There's a bunch of GBooks results where it appears in name only, basically listed as a placename with no elaboration. I think it's fairly clear that it doesn't meet WP:GEOLAND as either a legally recognized entity, or a notable non-recognized populated place. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 06:04, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 06:04, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep 28 people live there, according to the 2016 Australian census. Passes WP:GEOLAND. Needs improving. SportingFlyer T· C 06:08, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, a defined locality, even if the current article is very poor.-- Grahame ( talk) 02:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- leaning keep This is a former town which for some reason the Australian census is keeping on the books. The census data actually covers a considerable area in which the point marked as Millie sits at one edge; three families totalling twenty-eight people is a group of farms, not a town, which is exactly what GMaps shows. The only decent historical evidence is the war memorial registry entry, which links to some articles from the 1900-1901 era which describe the erection of the memorial in terms which make clear that there used to be a town there, but there certainly is not one now. I'm having some trouble with the exact location of the memorial, as different sites give different coordinates, and the aerials aren't high enough resolution to locate it. My qualms about keeping this stem from the necessary synthesis in putting this all together: the census doesn't say explicitly what the area of Millie is supposed to be, and one can only tell the town is not there by looking. But 28 people is certainly not the population of a town named Millie, and besides the memorial, that's about all there is to work with. Mangoe ( talk) 15:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: the defined locality is
Millie as shown by openstreetmap.--
Grahame (
talk)
02:27, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Permit me to clarify: what I cannot see from the census data is how they classify this area.
Mangoe (
talk)
03:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- The census data is for exactly the same areas as shown on its map. Census data is now shown for state defined localities.-- Grahame ( talk) 04:19, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Permit me to clarify: what I cannot see from the census data is how they classify this area.
Mangoe (
talk)
03:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, the article will likely never progress beyond a stub but it is clearly a place. Cavalryman ( talk) 08:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC).
- Keep: Defined locality. I can see old newspaper articles about it too. [1] ("We will now proceed to Millie, which consists of an hotel, and post and telegraph office, and a police station about three miles away...." and goes on to discuss all the local residents of the area in 1897); there are many newspaper mentions, e.g.,: [2] [3] [4]. It is hard to say Millie was ever a "town", but it was definitely a community name applied to the residents of its immediate area.-- Milowent • has spoken 11:56, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 07:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - clear pass of GEOLAND, as a community with a known population. −−− Cactus Jack 🌵 07:36, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, meets WP:NGEO as a populated, legally recognized place. ps. it is a parish, recorded by the ABS as a SSC (ie. state suburb). Coolabahapple ( talk) 07:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Definitely meets GEOLAND. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 15:08, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.