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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 23:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Michael Halsband
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Completed and utter promotional puffery with lackluster sourcing and nothing truly in depth to be found to meet ncreative PICKLEDICAE🥒 21:44, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Artists, and Photography. Skynxnex ( talk) 22:27, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I immediately recognize the name, probably because of the Klaus Nomi images. Will see if I can find anything in the way of significant coverage to add to the article; and if not, it's too soon. Netherzone ( talk) 00:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I marked every instance where the article
linked tocited Halsband's website as "better source needed". I think that visually shows how much the article depends on primary source. That source is accessed three different ways in the article. Also uses LinkedIn and Discogs. Surf Book is quasi self-published. Halsband Portraits is self-published. Quite a bit needs to be removed from this article for it to be non-promotional. Giving it a couple of days to see if it is fixed. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 02:36, 12 November 2022 (UTC) - Keep - and clean up. Should be pruned to a short article removing primary and low quality sourcing, and get rid of unsourced content and promotional fluffery. Despite the current state of the article, he does meet notability criteria for
WP:NARTIST (I added three museum collections). Based on what I could find in an online BEFORE search, he also meets
WP:GNG. I moved the awards section to the article talk page, as it was entirely sourced to his own website. I noticed that all of the museum collections on his CV are unverifiable except the Museum of Fine Arts Houston. A few of the other institutions listed have shown his work, but he is not represented in their permanent collections. This calls into question the accuracy of self-sourced claims.
Netherzone (
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17:42, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- What sources establish this?
PICKLEDICAE🥒
21:40, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- The three museum collections have citations that I added in a new section: Collections; these meet WP:NARTIST, criteria #4. He's also been in numerous exhibitions and may also meet criteria #3. Below is a selection of items found in a BEFORE (some may already be in the article; some are SIGCOV, others are shorter items but not simple mentions, a couple are interviews (primary), and a couple do seem like press releases so wouldn't count towards notability.) I don't have time right now to do a detailed source analysis chart, but clearly it seems there is enough out there to establish notability per GNG and/or BASIC.
- What sources establish this?
PICKLEDICAE🥒
21:40, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- Time magazine [1]; GQ [2]; 27East/South Hampton Press [3]; L’oeil: The Eye of Photography [4]; Surfers Journal [5]; Whitehot Magazine (interview with some editorial content) [6]; Interview Magazine (interview with some editorial content) [7]; MuséeMagazine [8]; Vice [9]; East Hampton Star [10]; CUNY TV [11]; Image Culture podcast [12]; Art Daily [13]; Texas Monthly #37 [14]; Newsday [15]; Daily News [16]; Wonderland Magazine [17]; Vulture Magazine [18]; Book: Reading Basquiat: Exploring Ambivalence in American Art, Pg. 30-31 [19]; Book: Art After Instagram: Art Spaces, Audiences, Aesthetics. Pg. 118-119 [20]; i-d Vice [21]; Guardian [22]; Hamptons [23]. - Netherzone ( talk) 02:45, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Netherzone ( talk) 00:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- (Snow) Keep, this very well-known photographer is referenced on the page by many interviews (including Interview magazine, which by itself challenges the nomination's reasoning), etc. etc. Randy Kryn ( talk) 12:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 23:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Michael Halsband
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Completed and utter promotional puffery with lackluster sourcing and nothing truly in depth to be found to meet ncreative PICKLEDICAE🥒 21:44, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Artists, and Photography. Skynxnex ( talk) 22:27, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I immediately recognize the name, probably because of the Klaus Nomi images. Will see if I can find anything in the way of significant coverage to add to the article; and if not, it's too soon. Netherzone ( talk) 00:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I marked every instance where the article
linked tocited Halsband's website as "better source needed". I think that visually shows how much the article depends on primary source. That source is accessed three different ways in the article. Also uses LinkedIn and Discogs. Surf Book is quasi self-published. Halsband Portraits is self-published. Quite a bit needs to be removed from this article for it to be non-promotional. Giving it a couple of days to see if it is fixed. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 02:36, 12 November 2022 (UTC) - Keep - and clean up. Should be pruned to a short article removing primary and low quality sourcing, and get rid of unsourced content and promotional fluffery. Despite the current state of the article, he does meet notability criteria for
WP:NARTIST (I added three museum collections). Based on what I could find in an online BEFORE search, he also meets
WP:GNG. I moved the awards section to the article talk page, as it was entirely sourced to his own website. I noticed that all of the museum collections on his CV are unverifiable except the Museum of Fine Arts Houston. A few of the other institutions listed have shown his work, but he is not represented in their permanent collections. This calls into question the accuracy of self-sourced claims.
Netherzone (
talk)
17:42, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- What sources establish this?
PICKLEDICAE🥒
21:40, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- The three museum collections have citations that I added in a new section: Collections; these meet WP:NARTIST, criteria #4. He's also been in numerous exhibitions and may also meet criteria #3. Below is a selection of items found in a BEFORE (some may already be in the article; some are SIGCOV, others are shorter items but not simple mentions, a couple are interviews (primary), and a couple do seem like press releases so wouldn't count towards notability.) I don't have time right now to do a detailed source analysis chart, but clearly it seems there is enough out there to establish notability per GNG and/or BASIC.
- What sources establish this?
PICKLEDICAE🥒
21:40, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
- Time magazine [1]; GQ [2]; 27East/South Hampton Press [3]; L’oeil: The Eye of Photography [4]; Surfers Journal [5]; Whitehot Magazine (interview with some editorial content) [6]; Interview Magazine (interview with some editorial content) [7]; MuséeMagazine [8]; Vice [9]; East Hampton Star [10]; CUNY TV [11]; Image Culture podcast [12]; Art Daily [13]; Texas Monthly #37 [14]; Newsday [15]; Daily News [16]; Wonderland Magazine [17]; Vulture Magazine [18]; Book: Reading Basquiat: Exploring Ambivalence in American Art, Pg. 30-31 [19]; Book: Art After Instagram: Art Spaces, Audiences, Aesthetics. Pg. 118-119 [20]; i-d Vice [21]; Guardian [22]; Hamptons [23]. - Netherzone ( talk) 02:45, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Netherzone ( talk) 00:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
- (Snow) Keep, this very well-known photographer is referenced on the page by many interviews (including Interview magazine, which by itself challenges the nomination's reasoning), etc. etc. Randy Kryn ( talk) 12:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
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