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The result was keep. Snowing. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts 20:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Mewing (facial restructuring technique)
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This article does not meet the standards of relevancy and it seems that it only has two sources that are not covering the recent wave of the popularity of mewing as a meme. There is also only one source has any type of reputability. The article is clearly not on a notable subject. Polargrizbear ( talk) 03:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Health and fitness and Popular culture. Polargrizbear ( talk) 03:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, per recent coverage (or, if all else fails, merge into
List of Generation Z slangor John Mew:- " What is the ‘mewing’ trend? Why teachers are hitting back at classroom craze" from The Independent
- " What to know about mewing: Netflix doc 'Open Wide' rekindles interest in beauty trend ( archived version without paywall) from USA Today, given this is covering a documentary on the subject
- " A24 Sets Documentary ‘Open Wide,’ About Controversial Orthodontists Behind Viral TikTok Trend, at Netflix" from Variety, although given this is a WP:FRINGE topic, not sure how relevant this would be
- I think the article sits in a weird spot between fringe medical theory-thing & popular culture. Orthodontic medical sources would be appreciated and likely necessary for the article, though I'm not sure where to find those.
Schrödinger's jellyfish
✉
03:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Forgive my quick Google and Google Scholar search (I can't access the Wikipedia Library on my phone):
- https://www.esquire.com/uk/style/grooming/a46200555/tik-tok-defined-jawline/ - Esquire article, found on semi-related article Looksmaxxing
- https://scholarship.claremont.edu/cmc_theses/3280/ - a senior thesis, citations inside may be of use (I'm generally unfamiliar with WP:MEDRS and rarely touch the subject on principle)
- https://www.joms.org/article/S0278-2391(19)30349-0/fulltext - appears to be written by dentists, will verify publication when on desktop and available
- https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/html/10.1055/s-0043-1767647?device=mobile&innerWidth=980&offsetWidth=980 - mewing as a potential cause for salivary gland cysts
- Just speculation - I wouldn't be shocked in the next few years some more scholarly research comes out about the negative effects of mewing. I stand by my earlier statement that mewing sits at a strange crossroads of fringe medical topic and fad. I hope more scholarly research comes out, since this article is probably prone to fringe POV hijacking.
Phönedinger's jellyfish II (
talk)
17:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- I give up on correcting that. If some more scholarly research comes out. Phönedinger's jellyfish II ( talk) 17:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Forgive my quick Google and Google Scholar search (I can't access the Wikipedia Library on my phone):
- Keep, "mewing" is mentioned in this medical journal and The New York Times back in 2020. Obviously a fringe hypothesis, however. Zenomonoz ( talk) 04:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Absolutely keep, clearly passes strong WP:GNG. Youknowwhoistheman ( talk) 10:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – I am the creator of this article. It might be worthy to note that this was originally a redirect to
John Mew. Per the above keep votes. There is an entire documentary about mewing coming out (cool to know), so I believe this is
WP:SUSTAINED. Another thing to note is that a redirect/merge back to
John Mew would certainly not make sense as this topic is known far beyond the person who coined it, and I don't think a redirect to
List of Generation Z slang would make much sense as it's not exactly a slang dictionary word.
TLA
tlak
12:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- It sits at a strange intersection. I'm not sure which would be more appropriate, but it'd likely be Mew. Striking out my prior comment about adding it to the list of Generation Z slang.
Phönedinger's jellyfish II (
talk)
02:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- I know that pageviews should not contribute to notability, however, it's clear that wherever this Mewing title leads to gets the views. I personally think it would be irresponsible for us to redirect it to a lesser known person with limited information about the technique. Gen Z slang is so complicated and strange 😞 TLA tlak 13:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- It sits at a strange intersection. I'm not sure which would be more appropriate, but it'd likely be Mew. Striking out my prior comment about adding it to the list of Generation Z slang.
Phönedinger's jellyfish II (
talk)
02:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. We may lament its notability but it is notable albeit in a fairly minor way. It joins the long list of notable pseudo medical fads that encrust the sordid history of quackery. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 12:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Mewing is not “generation Z slang”, though. It’s a facial technique, and it should be treated as so. I feel there is too much information about it to be placed in a sub-article. GP22248 ( talk) 13:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above Mach61 19:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep This technique is probably nonsense, but unfortunately it is still present in numerous sources. However, it should be made clear that it is not scientific but an internet phenomenon. Killarnee ( talk) 08:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep it is attested in recent sources; per Schrödinger's jellyfish ( Discuss 0nshore's contributions!!!) 15:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. Snowing. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts 20:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Mewing (facial restructuring technique)
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- Mewing (facial restructuring technique) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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This article does not meet the standards of relevancy and it seems that it only has two sources that are not covering the recent wave of the popularity of mewing as a meme. There is also only one source has any type of reputability. The article is clearly not on a notable subject. Polargrizbear ( talk) 03:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Health and fitness and Popular culture. Polargrizbear ( talk) 03:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, per recent coverage (or, if all else fails, merge into
List of Generation Z slangor John Mew:- " What is the ‘mewing’ trend? Why teachers are hitting back at classroom craze" from The Independent
- " What to know about mewing: Netflix doc 'Open Wide' rekindles interest in beauty trend ( archived version without paywall) from USA Today, given this is covering a documentary on the subject
- " A24 Sets Documentary ‘Open Wide,’ About Controversial Orthodontists Behind Viral TikTok Trend, at Netflix" from Variety, although given this is a WP:FRINGE topic, not sure how relevant this would be
- I think the article sits in a weird spot between fringe medical theory-thing & popular culture. Orthodontic medical sources would be appreciated and likely necessary for the article, though I'm not sure where to find those.
Schrödinger's jellyfish
✉
03:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Forgive my quick Google and Google Scholar search (I can't access the Wikipedia Library on my phone):
- https://www.esquire.com/uk/style/grooming/a46200555/tik-tok-defined-jawline/ - Esquire article, found on semi-related article Looksmaxxing
- https://scholarship.claremont.edu/cmc_theses/3280/ - a senior thesis, citations inside may be of use (I'm generally unfamiliar with WP:MEDRS and rarely touch the subject on principle)
- https://www.joms.org/article/S0278-2391(19)30349-0/fulltext - appears to be written by dentists, will verify publication when on desktop and available
- https://www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/html/10.1055/s-0043-1767647?device=mobile&innerWidth=980&offsetWidth=980 - mewing as a potential cause for salivary gland cysts
- Just speculation - I wouldn't be shocked in the next few years some more scholarly research comes out about the negative effects of mewing. I stand by my earlier statement that mewing sits at a strange crossroads of fringe medical topic and fad. I hope more scholarly research comes out, since this article is probably prone to fringe POV hijacking.
Phönedinger's jellyfish II (
talk)
17:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- I give up on correcting that. If some more scholarly research comes out. Phönedinger's jellyfish II ( talk) 17:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Forgive my quick Google and Google Scholar search (I can't access the Wikipedia Library on my phone):
- Keep, "mewing" is mentioned in this medical journal and The New York Times back in 2020. Obviously a fringe hypothesis, however. Zenomonoz ( talk) 04:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Absolutely keep, clearly passes strong WP:GNG. Youknowwhoistheman ( talk) 10:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – I am the creator of this article. It might be worthy to note that this was originally a redirect to
John Mew. Per the above keep votes. There is an entire documentary about mewing coming out (cool to know), so I believe this is
WP:SUSTAINED. Another thing to note is that a redirect/merge back to
John Mew would certainly not make sense as this topic is known far beyond the person who coined it, and I don't think a redirect to
List of Generation Z slang would make much sense as it's not exactly a slang dictionary word.
TLA
tlak
12:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- It sits at a strange intersection. I'm not sure which would be more appropriate, but it'd likely be Mew. Striking out my prior comment about adding it to the list of Generation Z slang.
Phönedinger's jellyfish II (
talk)
02:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- I know that pageviews should not contribute to notability, however, it's clear that wherever this Mewing title leads to gets the views. I personally think it would be irresponsible for us to redirect it to a lesser known person with limited information about the technique. Gen Z slang is so complicated and strange 😞 TLA tlak 13:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- It sits at a strange intersection. I'm not sure which would be more appropriate, but it'd likely be Mew. Striking out my prior comment about adding it to the list of Generation Z slang.
Phönedinger's jellyfish II (
talk)
02:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. We may lament its notability but it is notable albeit in a fairly minor way. It joins the long list of notable pseudo medical fads that encrust the sordid history of quackery. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 12:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Mewing is not “generation Z slang”, though. It’s a facial technique, and it should be treated as so. I feel there is too much information about it to be placed in a sub-article. GP22248 ( talk) 13:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above Mach61 19:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep This technique is probably nonsense, but unfortunately it is still present in numerous sources. However, it should be made clear that it is not scientific but an internet phenomenon. Killarnee ( talk) 08:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep it is attested in recent sources; per Schrödinger's jellyfish ( Discuss 0nshore's contributions!!!) 15:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.