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The result was keep. While the nominator's work is diligent, the delete option did not reach consensus. Geschichte ( talk) 04:57, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
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Don't think this place passes WP:GEOLAND. The State Historical Society calls it a small trading point, which isn't a sign of notability (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tingley, Missouri). I'm finding some Google books hits for a Lutheran Church at the site, as well as one old source that mentioned something being on the window in the store at Meinert. GNIS gives it a census code of U6, which generally seems to be for places without the legal recognition needed to pass WP:GEOLAND. The topos show three buildings at the site, one of which is the church. I'm not seeing how a church, a store, and apparently one other building passes GEOLAND, and GNG doesn't seem to be met, either. Hog Farm Bacon 02:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 02:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete Non-notable blip on a map fails WP:GEOLAND. KidAd talk 02:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Valid stub. Meinert once was a largely German community per historical society source, and an active trading point to boot. If contemporary maps show the community site has dwindled, update article with "little remains of the original site". 72.49.7.25 ( talk) 04:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. A trading point is more than an empty building or a name on a map. It's a place which at least for some period in history was an actual, tho possibly small, community-in this case consisting also of a church, and dwellings. A place which has those basic elements is (or in this case, was)., an actual community: a meeting place, a trading place., and a place where people lived. Even without the church I would support it--such trading posts are of historical importance.
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05:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- @ DGG: - And can you point me to a guideline that says Trading points are inherently notable? I'm aware of one that says that legally recognized populated places are notable, and this does not seem to be legally recognized as a populated place. There's a difference between a community and a community that passes WP:GEOLAND. Not everywhere where someone once lived/worshipped/bought crap gets the GEOLAND pass. If you don't like that, you might need a RFC. Hog Farm Bacon 14:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- The way we interpret GEOLAND is by discussing individual articles at afd. Reading it, I see that "On the other hand, sources that describe the subject instead of simply mentioning it do establish notability. " I see that an anon ed. says they have sources, so they should be added.
We are normally on all subjects much more flexible in accepting weak articles on historically existing or historically relevant topics. Doing a wider interpretation in such cases is within our discretion. Guidelines are called guidelines because they describe what we usually do. The consensus here will either agree that this should be an exception, or not. DGG ( talk ) 15:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- The source the IP mentions is the source mentioned in the nom that calls it a "trading point", I believe. It's a solid two sentences. Hog Farm Bacon 15:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete A country store is not typically notable. To say there was a community is just speculation based on no data. There is no evidence that this one meets basic wiki threshold for notability. I don't see any reliable, in-depth articles from independent sources. Glendoremus ( talk) 21:18, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Per the IP - site of a German community. Thus, there was an actual community, not just a store. Seems to be a tractor dealer nearby. Someone died here this year, and I'm seeing at least a few residents in the obits. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 22:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: There are many references to the Meinert community in the Dade County, MO newspapers I have found archives of, e.g., [1]. It is plainly a place name for the rural community surrounding the store at the intersection of the GPS location.-- Milowent • has spoken 18:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep -- this would have been a postal address for the surrounding area; hence the community. Sometimes a rural town is spread out.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 00:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: final relist
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- Keep per Milowent. schetm ( talk) 20:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. While the nominator's work is diligent, the delete option did not reach consensus. Geschichte ( talk) 04:57, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
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Don't think this place passes WP:GEOLAND. The State Historical Society calls it a small trading point, which isn't a sign of notability (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tingley, Missouri). I'm finding some Google books hits for a Lutheran Church at the site, as well as one old source that mentioned something being on the window in the store at Meinert. GNIS gives it a census code of U6, which generally seems to be for places without the legal recognition needed to pass WP:GEOLAND. The topos show three buildings at the site, one of which is the church. I'm not seeing how a church, a store, and apparently one other building passes GEOLAND, and GNG doesn't seem to be met, either. Hog Farm Bacon 02:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 02:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 02:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable blip on a map fails WP:GEOLAND. KidAd talk 02:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Valid stub. Meinert once was a largely German community per historical society source, and an active trading point to boot. If contemporary maps show the community site has dwindled, update article with "little remains of the original site". 72.49.7.25 ( talk) 04:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. A trading point is more than an empty building or a name on a map. It's a place which at least for some period in history was an actual, tho possibly small, community-in this case consisting also of a church, and dwellings. A place which has those basic elements is (or in this case, was)., an actual community: a meeting place, a trading place., and a place where people lived. Even without the church I would support it--such trading posts are of historical importance.
DGG (
talk )
05:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- @ DGG: - And can you point me to a guideline that says Trading points are inherently notable? I'm aware of one that says that legally recognized populated places are notable, and this does not seem to be legally recognized as a populated place. There's a difference between a community and a community that passes WP:GEOLAND. Not everywhere where someone once lived/worshipped/bought crap gets the GEOLAND pass. If you don't like that, you might need a RFC. Hog Farm Bacon 14:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- The way we interpret GEOLAND is by discussing individual articles at afd. Reading it, I see that "On the other hand, sources that describe the subject instead of simply mentioning it do establish notability. " I see that an anon ed. says they have sources, so they should be added.
We are normally on all subjects much more flexible in accepting weak articles on historically existing or historically relevant topics. Doing a wider interpretation in such cases is within our discretion. Guidelines are called guidelines because they describe what we usually do. The consensus here will either agree that this should be an exception, or not. DGG ( talk ) 15:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- The source the IP mentions is the source mentioned in the nom that calls it a "trading point", I believe. It's a solid two sentences. Hog Farm Bacon 15:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Delete A country store is not typically notable. To say there was a community is just speculation based on no data. There is no evidence that this one meets basic wiki threshold for notability. I don't see any reliable, in-depth articles from independent sources. Glendoremus ( talk) 21:18, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Per the IP - site of a German community. Thus, there was an actual community, not just a store. Seems to be a tractor dealer nearby. Someone died here this year, and I'm seeing at least a few residents in the obits. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 22:21, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: There are many references to the Meinert community in the Dade County, MO newspapers I have found archives of, e.g., [1]. It is plainly a place name for the rural community surrounding the store at the intersection of the GPS location.-- Milowent • has spoken 18:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Keep -- this would have been a postal address for the surrounding area; hence the community. Sometimes a rural town is spread out.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 00:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:06, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 02:29, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheSandDoctor Talk 06:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Milowent. schetm ( talk) 20:19, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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