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The result was delete. Redirecting isn't viable if the term is fabricated, and the argument that it is hasn't been rebutted. Vanamonde ( Talk) 11:18, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
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Seems way premature or lacks notability. This "era", which started two weeks ago, has no Google News sources ( this is the only one, and it is from 2014!), and very few hits in general. We have [https://sportsobsessive.com/wrestling/wrestling-shows/weekly-tv/monday-night-raw-review-mcmahon-levesque-era-begins-at-msg/ this, and, er, that's it [1]. Fram ( talk) 10:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Wrestling, and United States of America. Fram ( talk) 10:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Strong delete As with a lot of these "eras" it seems to largely be WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. The insistence of wrestling fans to categorise everything into eras is often unencyclopedic and only works if there is widespread acceptance that this is, in fact, a defined period of wrestling. In this instance it's not (yet), and is derived by off-handed descriptions of the recent changes in WWE rather than genuine notability. — Czello 10:38, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Strong keep Multiple sources have cited the begining of a new era in the WWE. Here is just one of many WP:RS which includes an ESPN interviews from several top stars such as Becky Lynch and more that a New Era begun with the change in ownership: [2]. Just one example, there are many other reliable sources beside it used in that article. In July 22, 2008 it was said that the WWE begun PG Era due to simple change in tv ratings from TV 14 to TV PG despite WWE having been PG before 1997. At that time I was an unregistered editor, I did not register until 2019 but I saw that Wikipedia supported the then so called pg era without any sources, when it was justa fan insult but WWE accepted it much later. Now tehre is a literal change in ownership and activities in WWE and multiple sources citing that a new era begun on WWE. So a strong keep from me due to the massive changes and the large amount of well established WP:RS that supports a new era in the WWE which begun on July 22, 2022. Dilbaggg ( talk) 12:14, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- I do agree that this falls under the criteria WP:TOOSOON and I even mentioed this to the article writer draft talk page. there are already many WP:RS citing this new era but it would have been better to wait a bit, guess they are just too impatient, but there is no denying that a new era begun on July 22, 2022 and there are multiple WP:RS supporting it.. Dilbaggg ( talk) 12:18, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Funnily enough, not a single one of the sources that I can see uses the phrase "McMahon-Levesque Era". There's no denying that changes have taken place within the company, but that's why we have
History of WWE - I agree with OP that notability has not been established that this 2 week old period deserves its own article. We most likely won't even know that for years. This article is a classic case of
WP:SYNTH. —
Czello
12:26, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
-
Czello yeah its a bit too ealy, and the specific name McMahon-Levesque Era isn't stated but there are many
WP:PW/RS besides the EPSPN source like these that agrees and also explicitly says new era already begun:
[3],
[4] and ths mainly happens with Stephanie McMahon and Triple H (Paul Michael Levesque) now being in charge of the company which the sources do mention, however the fact taht its too early to have its own article I agree with you. I am still keeping keep for now but ayway am sure a proper consensus will be reached.
Dilbaggg (
talk)
12:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- You linked the same source twice there; I assume one was intended to be the Becky Lynch one from above. Nonetheless, this doesn't sound like a "strong keep" to me, as you concede that it's
WP:TOOSOON; it seems closer to a "weak keep". —
Czello
12:41, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- That was a mistake, this is the other source i wanted to add [5] anyway good day [[ Czello]] bro. Dilbaggg ( talk) 12:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- You linked the same source twice there; I assume one was intended to be the Becky Lynch one from above. Nonetheless, this doesn't sound like a "strong keep" to me, as you concede that it's
WP:TOOSOON; it seems closer to a "weak keep". —
Czello
12:41, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
-
Czello yeah its a bit too ealy, and the specific name McMahon-Levesque Era isn't stated but there are many
WP:PW/RS besides the EPSPN source like these that agrees and also explicitly says new era already begun:
[3],
[4] and ths mainly happens with Stephanie McMahon and Triple H (Paul Michael Levesque) now being in charge of the company which the sources do mention, however the fact taht its too early to have its own article I agree with you. I am still keeping keep for now but ayway am sure a proper consensus will be reached.
Dilbaggg (
talk)
12:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- merge and redirect to WWE#History. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 07:43, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with Czello that these "eras" have a lot of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH going on... Have any reliable sources even used the name "McMahon-Levesque Era"? While many changes are going on in WWE right now, I would actually recommend that these be detailed in an article for the Retirement of Vince McMahon. High quality sources have been covering the events leading up to that for months. The changes in the on-screen presentation are far less noteworthy and it's WP:TOOSOON for a separate article; the little that we have to go on can be detailed at WWE#History. LM2000 ( talk) 10:28, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Certainly some eras of WWF/E are notable and well established, but an "era" that began a week ago certainly isn't! ★Trekker ( talk) 12:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom Kazanstyle ( talk) 08:22, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to History of WWE as not notable enough for a standalone article, not yet. Fixer88 ( talk) 05:52, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Entirely fabricated name. Wikipedia isn't a platform for promotion or WP:OR. Fails notability criteria. HighKing ++ 10:48, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Redirecting isn't viable if the term is fabricated, and the argument that it is hasn't been rebutted. Vanamonde ( Talk) 11:18, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
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- McMahon-Levesque Era ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Seems way premature or lacks notability. This "era", which started two weeks ago, has no Google News sources ( this is the only one, and it is from 2014!), and very few hits in general. We have [https://sportsobsessive.com/wrestling/wrestling-shows/weekly-tv/monday-night-raw-review-mcmahon-levesque-era-begins-at-msg/ this, and, er, that's it [1]. Fram ( talk) 10:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies, Wrestling, and United States of America. Fram ( talk) 10:27, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Strong delete As with a lot of these "eras" it seems to largely be WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. The insistence of wrestling fans to categorise everything into eras is often unencyclopedic and only works if there is widespread acceptance that this is, in fact, a defined period of wrestling. In this instance it's not (yet), and is derived by off-handed descriptions of the recent changes in WWE rather than genuine notability. — Czello 10:38, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Strong keep Multiple sources have cited the begining of a new era in the WWE. Here is just one of many WP:RS which includes an ESPN interviews from several top stars such as Becky Lynch and more that a New Era begun with the change in ownership: [2]. Just one example, there are many other reliable sources beside it used in that article. In July 22, 2008 it was said that the WWE begun PG Era due to simple change in tv ratings from TV 14 to TV PG despite WWE having been PG before 1997. At that time I was an unregistered editor, I did not register until 2019 but I saw that Wikipedia supported the then so called pg era without any sources, when it was justa fan insult but WWE accepted it much later. Now tehre is a literal change in ownership and activities in WWE and multiple sources citing that a new era begun on WWE. So a strong keep from me due to the massive changes and the large amount of well established WP:RS that supports a new era in the WWE which begun on July 22, 2022. Dilbaggg ( talk) 12:14, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- I do agree that this falls under the criteria WP:TOOSOON and I even mentioed this to the article writer draft talk page. there are already many WP:RS citing this new era but it would have been better to wait a bit, guess they are just too impatient, but there is no denying that a new era begun on July 22, 2022 and there are multiple WP:RS supporting it.. Dilbaggg ( talk) 12:18, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Funnily enough, not a single one of the sources that I can see uses the phrase "McMahon-Levesque Era". There's no denying that changes have taken place within the company, but that's why we have
History of WWE - I agree with OP that notability has not been established that this 2 week old period deserves its own article. We most likely won't even know that for years. This article is a classic case of
WP:SYNTH. —
Czello
12:26, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
-
Czello yeah its a bit too ealy, and the specific name McMahon-Levesque Era isn't stated but there are many
WP:PW/RS besides the EPSPN source like these that agrees and also explicitly says new era already begun:
[3],
[4] and ths mainly happens with Stephanie McMahon and Triple H (Paul Michael Levesque) now being in charge of the company which the sources do mention, however the fact taht its too early to have its own article I agree with you. I am still keeping keep for now but ayway am sure a proper consensus will be reached.
Dilbaggg (
talk)
12:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- You linked the same source twice there; I assume one was intended to be the Becky Lynch one from above. Nonetheless, this doesn't sound like a "strong keep" to me, as you concede that it's
WP:TOOSOON; it seems closer to a "weak keep". —
Czello
12:41, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- That was a mistake, this is the other source i wanted to add [5] anyway good day [[ Czello]] bro. Dilbaggg ( talk) 12:43, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- You linked the same source twice there; I assume one was intended to be the Becky Lynch one from above. Nonetheless, this doesn't sound like a "strong keep" to me, as you concede that it's
WP:TOOSOON; it seems closer to a "weak keep". —
Czello
12:41, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
-
Czello yeah its a bit too ealy, and the specific name McMahon-Levesque Era isn't stated but there are many
WP:PW/RS besides the EPSPN source like these that agrees and also explicitly says new era already begun:
[3],
[4] and ths mainly happens with Stephanie McMahon and Triple H (Paul Michael Levesque) now being in charge of the company which the sources do mention, however the fact taht its too early to have its own article I agree with you. I am still keeping keep for now but ayway am sure a proper consensus will be reached.
Dilbaggg (
talk)
12:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- merge and redirect to WWE#History. Lee Vilenski ( talk • contribs) 07:43, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with Czello that these "eras" have a lot of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH going on... Have any reliable sources even used the name "McMahon-Levesque Era"? While many changes are going on in WWE right now, I would actually recommend that these be detailed in an article for the Retirement of Vince McMahon. High quality sources have been covering the events leading up to that for months. The changes in the on-screen presentation are far less noteworthy and it's WP:TOOSOON for a separate article; the little that we have to go on can be detailed at WWE#History. LM2000 ( talk) 10:28, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Certainly some eras of WWF/E are notable and well established, but an "era" that began a week ago certainly isn't! ★Trekker ( talk) 12:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom Kazanstyle ( talk) 08:22, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to History of WWE as not notable enough for a standalone article, not yet. Fixer88 ( talk) 05:52, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Entirely fabricated name. Wikipedia isn't a platform for promotion or WP:OR. Fails notability criteria. HighKing ++ 10:48, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.