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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 13:45, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Maryam Salimi
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Like Hamid Ziaei Parvar, fails to meet notability criteria for people and the sources are used to mask the lack of notability. Pahlevun ( talk) 17:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep article stands on independent reliable sources M1nhm ( talk) 07:04, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- Can you 1.) specify which of the 60 sources are reliable and independent. 2.) point out the 3 best sources on this ovesourced page. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 19:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as PROMO. Wikipedia:Citation overkill: 60 sources in Farsi, no sources offered in a Latin alphabet. "Maryam Salimi" is quite a common name, but this "writer, journalist, communications scholar[1][2] and expert in visual communications particularly in infographics and news graphics.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]" is not the mathmetician, or medical/biological researcher who show up in searches. Page makes no claim to notability, indeed, it persuades of the opposite. Claim to teach at three universities without mentioning a job title at any of them. one of several authors of a manual for high-schoolers on infographics. Worked for Nassim News Agency.... Fails WP:SIGCOV. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:47, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The sources I checked check out, not particularly promotional, and is a reasonable meeting of both the WP:GNG and WP:PROF. Citation overkill, yes, but not as bad as Wikipedia's systematic bias against foreign language biographies. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 10:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- @ SmokeyJoe and M1nhm: to give us a little more detail on which of the 60 sources had WP:SIGCOV. Can you each read Farsi? In particular, the assertion that she passes WP:PROF seems improbable since it would be unusual for someone without a PhD and without an appointment at a university (she appears to teach an occassional course in graphic design) to pass WP:PROF. We need policy and evidence based arguments, not assertions. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 14:41, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- I read the top five references from the reference list. I used google translate. The sources discuss the subject directly. Google scholar shows that she is an author of some very well cited papers. The references talk about her as a researcher. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 21:31, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- Are you sure? I just ran the first 5 cites thru gTranslate. 2, 3, 4 merely quote her on graphic design, all from the same newspaper, one is labeled "training session". the first source is so poetic, so different that it sounds like it may be a different Maryam Salami altogether - a doppleganger who writes poetry. cite # 5 is not an article at all, it's a list of disparate items published by the Public Relations Society". My skepticism her es fed by the extreme improbability of an article with 60 citations about a graphic design communications specialist each cited only once being notable. For notability, we need something tha tis about her - not stuff that merely quotes her. Which of the 60 cites is a profile? or something approaching WP:SIGCOV? E.M.Gregory ( talk) 22:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- E.M.Gregory, no not terribly sure. I had to return to my PC to check for followed links. Apparently I only looked at refs 1 & 2. These sources talk about the subject directly, which is something. I followed the AfD fins sources links, and https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=7h7LnaUAAAAJ&hl=en H-index is low at 7, but best cited paper is pretty good. "Comaximal graph of commutative rings". 2008. Is this her? Departement of Mathematics, East Tehran Branch, Islamic Azad University Verified email at ipm.ir. ? Maybe not? It looks like maths. The article says " data journalism", maybe it is the same thing? "She currently lectures in Islamic Azad University", which matches. I see now she is not Mehrdad Salimi, the first author of "Chemotherapy of Mediterranean abdominal lymphoma: retrospective comparison of chemotherapy protocols in Iranian patients" So, no, I am not sure. But still, so many references seem to checvk out, for example. "Dr. Maryam Salimi was appointed as media advisor to the Agricultural and Natural Resources Engineering Organization of Iran Maryam Salimi was born in 1979 in Iran . He is a researcher in the fields of visual communication and communication and lecturer in Sura universities" ... Same lady in the picture, similar birthyears (1978, 1979). I am concerned about systematic bias and don't want to be quick to delete Iranian biographies. The https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%B1%DB%8C%D9%85_%D8%B3%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%85%DB%8C article is basically the same thing. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 05:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- The solution to systemic bias is to create good articles about notable Iranians who pass WP:GNG. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 02:23, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- What is the claim to notability? That She exists, is a "media advisor" and "data journalist", and sometimes lectures at a university ≠ notability. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 23:17, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- @ Pahlevun:, anything to add? E.M.Gregory ( talk) 21:53, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 13:45, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Maryam Salimi
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Like Hamid Ziaei Parvar, fails to meet notability criteria for people and the sources are used to mask the lack of notability. Pahlevun ( talk) 17:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2019 February 12. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Offline 19:45, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep article stands on independent reliable sources M1nhm ( talk) 07:04, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
- Can you 1.) specify which of the 60 sources are reliable and independent. 2.) point out the 3 best sources on this ovesourced page. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 19:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete as PROMO. Wikipedia:Citation overkill: 60 sources in Farsi, no sources offered in a Latin alphabet. "Maryam Salimi" is quite a common name, but this "writer, journalist, communications scholar[1][2] and expert in visual communications particularly in infographics and news graphics.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]" is not the mathmetician, or medical/biological researcher who show up in searches. Page makes no claim to notability, indeed, it persuades of the opposite. Claim to teach at three universities without mentioning a job title at any of them. one of several authors of a manual for high-schoolers on infographics. Worked for Nassim News Agency.... Fails WP:SIGCOV. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:47, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. The sources I checked check out, not particularly promotional, and is a reasonable meeting of both the WP:GNG and WP:PROF. Citation overkill, yes, but not as bad as Wikipedia's systematic bias against foreign language biographies. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 10:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- @ SmokeyJoe and M1nhm: to give us a little more detail on which of the 60 sources had WP:SIGCOV. Can you each read Farsi? In particular, the assertion that she passes WP:PROF seems improbable since it would be unusual for someone without a PhD and without an appointment at a university (she appears to teach an occassional course in graphic design) to pass WP:PROF. We need policy and evidence based arguments, not assertions. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 14:41, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- I read the top five references from the reference list. I used google translate. The sources discuss the subject directly. Google scholar shows that she is an author of some very well cited papers. The references talk about her as a researcher. — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 21:31, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- Are you sure? I just ran the first 5 cites thru gTranslate. 2, 3, 4 merely quote her on graphic design, all from the same newspaper, one is labeled "training session". the first source is so poetic, so different that it sounds like it may be a different Maryam Salami altogether - a doppleganger who writes poetry. cite # 5 is not an article at all, it's a list of disparate items published by the Public Relations Society". My skepticism her es fed by the extreme improbability of an article with 60 citations about a graphic design communications specialist each cited only once being notable. For notability, we need something tha tis about her - not stuff that merely quotes her. Which of the 60 cites is a profile? or something approaching WP:SIGCOV? E.M.Gregory ( talk) 22:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
- E.M.Gregory, no not terribly sure. I had to return to my PC to check for followed links. Apparently I only looked at refs 1 & 2. These sources talk about the subject directly, which is something. I followed the AfD fins sources links, and https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=7h7LnaUAAAAJ&hl=en H-index is low at 7, but best cited paper is pretty good. "Comaximal graph of commutative rings". 2008. Is this her? Departement of Mathematics, East Tehran Branch, Islamic Azad University Verified email at ipm.ir. ? Maybe not? It looks like maths. The article says " data journalism", maybe it is the same thing? "She currently lectures in Islamic Azad University", which matches. I see now she is not Mehrdad Salimi, the first author of "Chemotherapy of Mediterranean abdominal lymphoma: retrospective comparison of chemotherapy protocols in Iranian patients" So, no, I am not sure. But still, so many references seem to checvk out, for example. "Dr. Maryam Salimi was appointed as media advisor to the Agricultural and Natural Resources Engineering Organization of Iran Maryam Salimi was born in 1979 in Iran . He is a researcher in the fields of visual communication and communication and lecturer in Sura universities" ... Same lady in the picture, similar birthyears (1978, 1979). I am concerned about systematic bias and don't want to be quick to delete Iranian biographies. The https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%B1%DB%8C%D9%85_%D8%B3%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%85%DB%8C article is basically the same thing. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 05:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- The solution to systemic bias is to create good articles about notable Iranians who pass WP:GNG. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 02:23, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- What is the claim to notability? That She exists, is a "media advisor" and "data journalist", and sometimes lectures at a university ≠ notability. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 23:17, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- @ Pahlevun:, anything to add? E.M.Gregory ( talk) 21:53, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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