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The result was merge to Dubai Marina. (non-admin closure) —— SN 54129 16:01, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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I cannot find any reliable secondary sources for this topic, nor have there been any sources on the page since 2015. Has previously been rejected for speedy deletion but no major improvements to the page seem to have taken place since. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 15:28, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:54, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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DeleteMerge - the wrong speedy was initially used - this is unsourced and fails WP:GNG as far as I can tell. SportingFlyer T· C 10:31, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Changing to merge after the WP:HEY. Still not notable enough for a standalone. SportingFlyer T· C 13:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge
Keepseems quite notable per WP:NEXIST policy. Many reliable sources exist - yet they are not in the article. They await an ambitious editor. In any event our policy does not call for delete based on the nominator's reasoning. Looks like one that can easily be improved. Lightburst ( talk) 15:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC) - Delete - not enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to show it passes WP:GNG. Lots of mentions, but nothing in-depth. Onel5969 TT me 16:07, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks User:onel5969 I will continue to look for additional sources to meet WP:NBUILD criteria. I also submitted to ARS so please check back soon to see if your opinion stands after a cleanup. Lightburst ( talk) 16:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Dubai Marina, where residential complexes are listed. Would be improvement to that article without diminshioning integrity of this information. A better Wikipedia:BEFORE would have been good, as there appears to other refs, and as one contributor mentioned likely enoough for GNG. Djflem ( talk) 13:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- HEY Wikipedia:HEY, the article has been improved and should be re-reviewed. Djflem ( talk) 12:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- I appreciate you trying to turn this into an article, but I'm still a strong delete, though I think at least some of this information can be up-merged to Dubai Marina. I ended up doing a full source review after a very bad experience with the first source as you'll see below, and there's not a single notability-granting source currently in the article:
- 1) Architect's website, apparently - I was directed to a browser-hijack webpage, so cannot confirm, but that's the reason why I ended up doing the full source review
- 2) Does not mention Marina Quays
- 3) I didn't see Marina Quays mentioned, but it's a scroll-thru-the-photos style article which I think we typically significantly downweight or exclude for notability purposes?
- 4) One mention of "Marina Quays," but it's not clear it's discussing the development
- 5) This is a real estate website
- 6) The "Sales and Leasing expert" mentioned the development's name and nothing
- 7&11) Emporis is a building database, not used for notability
- 8) Appears to be the official website of the Dubai Marina, Primary
- 9) Skyscraper Center is a building database
- 10) Flatreviews.com is an apartments aggregator
- I"m happy the article is improved, but it's still not yet notable, so I think an upmerge is the best way to go. SportingFlyer T· C 13:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: These are exactly the kind of references one could expect to find unless we are talking about an internationally known building like the Empire State building. Thanks for the hard work Djflem! NBUILD this area and Marina Quays has
social, economic importance
Additionally the architecture feature of the cantilevered building, extending 20m over the Dubai Marina waterway is notable. A merge is not a terrible idea, my only concern is that the Dubai Marina (target for merge) will likely be a bit long soon. Many of the notable topic headings have not been fleshed out or linked as of yet. Construction continues. Lightburst ( talk) 15:47, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- The info in this article is easily stated in one paragraph which would not overburden target in any way. Djflem ( talk) 16:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge Sources are pretty routine real estate content that don't appear to establish notability as any more than generic tall(ish) buildings people live in. They're luxury but can be covered in the main article with their lookalike neighbors. Reywas92 Talk 20:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge The entire article could easily merge over to Dubai_Marina#Marina_Quays. Dream Focus 22:10, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Still Delete (or Merge) Lightburst, Djflem thank you both for your attention on this article. When I had originally nominated I had found a lot of these sources, but to me they did not seem to add to the notability of the article, as they were either sources that were overly promotional or sources that were clearly not independent. I’m a new editor so I’m very happy to stand corrected, but I still believe that this content does not merit a stand-alone article as per WP:GNG. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 00:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to Dubai Marina. There's not enough independent sources to shows why it should be notable singly. صدیق صبري ( talk) 09:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment looks like we are headed for a merge and I will concur. Perhaps someone can put the merge in motion before a full delete. Lightburst ( talk) 14:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Please familiarize with AfD process. A merge would take place after this discussion is closed. Djflem ( talk) 22:19, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to Dubai Marina. 4meter4 ( talk) 08:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Dubai Marina. (non-admin closure) —— SN 54129 16:01, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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I cannot find any reliable secondary sources for this topic, nor have there been any sources on the page since 2015. Has previously been rejected for speedy deletion but no major improvements to the page seem to have taken place since. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 15:28, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:54, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 10:19, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 10:19, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Lightburst ( talk) 15:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
DeleteMerge - the wrong speedy was initially used - this is unsourced and fails WP:GNG as far as I can tell. SportingFlyer T· C 10:31, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Changing to merge after the WP:HEY. Still not notable enough for a standalone. SportingFlyer T· C 13:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge
Keepseems quite notable per WP:NEXIST policy. Many reliable sources exist - yet they are not in the article. They await an ambitious editor. In any event our policy does not call for delete based on the nominator's reasoning. Looks like one that can easily be improved. Lightburst ( talk) 15:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC) - Delete - not enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to show it passes WP:GNG. Lots of mentions, but nothing in-depth. Onel5969 TT me 16:07, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks User:onel5969 I will continue to look for additional sources to meet WP:NBUILD criteria. I also submitted to ARS so please check back soon to see if your opinion stands after a cleanup. Lightburst ( talk) 16:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Dubai Marina, where residential complexes are listed. Would be improvement to that article without diminshioning integrity of this information. A better Wikipedia:BEFORE would have been good, as there appears to other refs, and as one contributor mentioned likely enoough for GNG. Djflem ( talk) 13:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- HEY Wikipedia:HEY, the article has been improved and should be re-reviewed. Djflem ( talk) 12:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- I appreciate you trying to turn this into an article, but I'm still a strong delete, though I think at least some of this information can be up-merged to Dubai Marina. I ended up doing a full source review after a very bad experience with the first source as you'll see below, and there's not a single notability-granting source currently in the article:
- 1) Architect's website, apparently - I was directed to a browser-hijack webpage, so cannot confirm, but that's the reason why I ended up doing the full source review
- 2) Does not mention Marina Quays
- 3) I didn't see Marina Quays mentioned, but it's a scroll-thru-the-photos style article which I think we typically significantly downweight or exclude for notability purposes?
- 4) One mention of "Marina Quays," but it's not clear it's discussing the development
- 5) This is a real estate website
- 6) The "Sales and Leasing expert" mentioned the development's name and nothing
- 7&11) Emporis is a building database, not used for notability
- 8) Appears to be the official website of the Dubai Marina, Primary
- 9) Skyscraper Center is a building database
- 10) Flatreviews.com is an apartments aggregator
- I"m happy the article is improved, but it's still not yet notable, so I think an upmerge is the best way to go. SportingFlyer T· C 13:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: These are exactly the kind of references one could expect to find unless we are talking about an internationally known building like the Empire State building. Thanks for the hard work Djflem! NBUILD this area and Marina Quays has
social, economic importance
Additionally the architecture feature of the cantilevered building, extending 20m over the Dubai Marina waterway is notable. A merge is not a terrible idea, my only concern is that the Dubai Marina (target for merge) will likely be a bit long soon. Many of the notable topic headings have not been fleshed out or linked as of yet. Construction continues. Lightburst ( talk) 15:47, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- The info in this article is easily stated in one paragraph which would not overburden target in any way. Djflem ( talk) 16:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge Sources are pretty routine real estate content that don't appear to establish notability as any more than generic tall(ish) buildings people live in. They're luxury but can be covered in the main article with their lookalike neighbors. Reywas92 Talk 20:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge The entire article could easily merge over to Dubai_Marina#Marina_Quays. Dream Focus 22:10, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Still Delete (or Merge) Lightburst, Djflem thank you both for your attention on this article. When I had originally nominated I had found a lot of these sources, but to me they did not seem to add to the notability of the article, as they were either sources that were overly promotional or sources that were clearly not independent. I’m a new editor so I’m very happy to stand corrected, but I still believe that this content does not merit a stand-alone article as per WP:GNG. Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 00:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to Dubai Marina. There's not enough independent sources to shows why it should be notable singly. صدیق صبري ( talk) 09:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment looks like we are headed for a merge and I will concur. Perhaps someone can put the merge in motion before a full delete. Lightburst ( talk) 14:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Please familiarize with AfD process. A merge would take place after this discussion is closed. Djflem ( talk) 22:19, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Merge to Dubai Marina. 4meter4 ( talk) 08:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.