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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 18:46, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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Article makes no claim to notability and does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK. Cited reviews include a user-submitted review for the Guardian and a Publishers Weekly press blurb. I've found no independent, reliable reviews or other evidence of notability. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 18:37, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
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strong keep: the book is known worldwide and was translated in several languages, not just in English. i.e in French, Italian, Polki, Portugese and so on.-- Pampuco ( talk) 20:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment WP:NBOOK only considers translations to be a measure of notability for academic texts. I considered the book's potential importance in non-English markets during WP:BEFORE, and attempted to find Spanish-language reviews or mentions of the book, which yielded similar results to the English-language search. Admittedly, my search methods might not be the most effective. Are there any sources you could provide that demonstrate the book's notability in non-English language markets? Thanks. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 20:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment here is a review in Italian written by Angela Bianchini, a journalist of La Stampa (one of the most popular Italian newspapers), on Tuttolibri, its weekly supplement about books and literature. here there are some info about the book provided in French by a Quebec coopérative des Librairies indépendantes du Québec (coop of indipendent booksellers of Quebec).-- Pampuco ( talk) 21:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Thanks for your response. I've been unable to access the review even after making an account with La Stampa, but from the small amount I can access, it seems to be the sort of RS coverage we need. The second source appears to be a sales blurb consisting almost solely of plot details. I hope other editors reading this discussion will also try their hand at verifying the existence of substantial RS on the subject. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 22:02, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. This book meets WP:NBOOK criteria #1. It has received reviews from the Italian newspaper La Stampa ( [1]), science fiction and fantasy magazine Tor.com ( [2]), literary news magazine Publishers Weekly ( [3]), and book review magazine Kirkus Reviews ( [4]). These make up multiple reviews from independent and reliable sources. The book was also subject of a review in British newspaper The Guardian ( [5]), although it was a reader-submitted review as part of the The Guardian's children's book site ( [6]). MarkZusab ( talk) 00:53, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Reviews in Publisher's Weekly and Kirkus, and also coverage in Horn Book alone suggests notability. Listings in libraries across the world for the various language editions also suggests notability. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 19:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep, meets WP:NBOOK and WP:GNG, in addition to the reviews listed above, there are reviews by Library Journal - "Spanish novelist Zafon's (The Prisoner of Heaven) cinematic writing ensnares the listener in a supernatural snow globe of altered reality both hypnotic and beguiling.", School Library Journal (star review) - "With elements of romance, mystery, and horror, none of them overwhelming the other, this complex volume that hints at Mary Shelley's Frankenstein manages to weave together three separate stories for a cohesive and eerie result.", Booklist - "Originally published in Spain in 1999, this sweeping gothic mystery from Zafon ..." (reviews are here), plus there are others but this will do:)). Coolabahapple ( talk) 13:48, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 18:46, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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Article makes no claim to notability and does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBOOK. Cited reviews include a user-submitted review for the Guardian and a Publishers Weekly press blurb. I've found no independent, reliable reviews or other evidence of notability. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 18:37, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 18:37, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 18:37, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
strong keep: the book is known worldwide and was translated in several languages, not just in English. i.e in French, Italian, Polki, Portugese and so on.-- Pampuco ( talk) 20:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment WP:NBOOK only considers translations to be a measure of notability for academic texts. I considered the book's potential importance in non-English markets during WP:BEFORE, and attempted to find Spanish-language reviews or mentions of the book, which yielded similar results to the English-language search. Admittedly, my search methods might not be the most effective. Are there any sources you could provide that demonstrate the book's notability in non-English language markets? Thanks. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 20:26, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment here is a review in Italian written by Angela Bianchini, a journalist of La Stampa (one of the most popular Italian newspapers), on Tuttolibri, its weekly supplement about books and literature. here there are some info about the book provided in French by a Quebec coopérative des Librairies indépendantes du Québec (coop of indipendent booksellers of Quebec).-- Pampuco ( talk) 21:25, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Thanks for your response. I've been unable to access the review even after making an account with La Stampa, but from the small amount I can access, it seems to be the sort of RS coverage we need. The second source appears to be a sales blurb consisting almost solely of plot details. I hope other editors reading this discussion will also try their hand at verifying the existence of substantial RS on the subject. Skeletor3000 ( talk) 22:02, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. This book meets WP:NBOOK criteria #1. It has received reviews from the Italian newspaper La Stampa ( [1]), science fiction and fantasy magazine Tor.com ( [2]), literary news magazine Publishers Weekly ( [3]), and book review magazine Kirkus Reviews ( [4]). These make up multiple reviews from independent and reliable sources. The book was also subject of a review in British newspaper The Guardian ( [5]), although it was a reader-submitted review as part of the The Guardian's children's book site ( [6]). MarkZusab ( talk) 00:53, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Reviews in Publisher's Weekly and Kirkus, and also coverage in Horn Book alone suggests notability. Listings in libraries across the world for the various language editions also suggests notability. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 19:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep, meets WP:NBOOK and WP:GNG, in addition to the reviews listed above, there are reviews by Library Journal - "Spanish novelist Zafon's (The Prisoner of Heaven) cinematic writing ensnares the listener in a supernatural snow globe of altered reality both hypnotic and beguiling.", School Library Journal (star review) - "With elements of romance, mystery, and horror, none of them overwhelming the other, this complex volume that hints at Mary Shelley's Frankenstein manages to weave together three separate stories for a cohesive and eerie result.", Booklist - "Originally published in Spain in 1999, this sweeping gothic mystery from Zafon ..." (reviews are here), plus there are others but this will do:)). Coolabahapple ( talk) 13:48, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
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