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The result was Nomintation Withdrawn. I withdraw the nomination (non-admin closure) 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 04:33, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Marin Mägi-Efert
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Non-Notable Actress, only sources i can find are WP:ROUTINE Coverage. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 17:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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Neutral. http://etbl.teatriliit.ee/artikkel/m%C3%A4gi-efert_marin1 is a serious source, but seems to be only one-- Estopedist1 ( talk) 18:58, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. She isn't "non-notable". She has an entry at
Eesti Entsüklopeedia/Eesti Teatriliit. There are subtstantive articles (more than "routine") about her in
Õhtuleht (
here and
here ) and in
Postimees (
here and
here). Postimees and Õhtuleht are the largest dailies in Estonia. Smaller articles (but still full articles) in Postimees (
here and
here),
Kroonika (
here and
here). And that was with just a cursory search. I don't think you did a proper
WP:BEFORE.
ExRat (
talk)
08:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Ohtulehtentsyklopeedia is mostly a database & does not pass WP:SIGCOV, all 4 of those Postimees articles are WP:ROUTINE, Kroonika Articles are WP:ROUTINE. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 14:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC)- What? Õhtuleht isn't a database. It's the largest Estonian entertainment daily newspaper in Estonia and the articles easily pass
WP:SIGCOV. The first two Postimees articles are in depth and explicitly about the subject. None are merely "routine" coverage.
ExRat (
talk)
16:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- whoops fixed the name, i meant entsyklopeedia not Ohtuleht.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk)
18:51, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- Eesti Entsüklopeedia isn't a "database". It's literally the digitized Estonian encyclopedia. Eesti Teatrillit is the same. Only notable people have entries. ExRat ( talk) 21:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- So according to you "she had a baby", "She played this role", "she did this" isn't routine coverage???
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk)
18:52, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- "
Per Wikipedia policy, routine news coverage of such things as announcements are not sufficient basis for an article. Planned coverage of scheduled events, especially when those involved in the event are also promoting it, is considered to be routine. Wedding announcements, sports scores, crime logs, and other items that tend to get an exemption from newsworthiness discussions should be considered routine."
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk)
18:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- In depth articles in major daily newspapers covering an actress's career and playing "this role" and "doing this" are indeed not routine announcements. ExRat ( talk) 21:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- "
Per Wikipedia policy, routine news coverage of such things as announcements are not sufficient basis for an article. Planned coverage of scheduled events, especially when those involved in the event are also promoting it, is considered to be routine. Wedding announcements, sports scores, crime logs, and other items that tend to get an exemption from newsworthiness discussions should be considered routine."
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk)
18:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- whoops fixed the name, i meant entsyklopeedia not Ohtuleht.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk)
18:51, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- What? Õhtuleht isn't a database. It's the largest Estonian entertainment daily newspaper in Estonia and the articles easily pass
WP:SIGCOV. The first two Postimees articles are in depth and explicitly about the subject. None are merely "routine" coverage.
ExRat (
talk)
16:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh ( talk) 17:18, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - notable per entry in the non-profit, EU-backed national Estonian Encyclopedia as noted by ExRat above. See WP:ANYBIO. Also notable per ExRat's 6 media article citations.
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A. B. (
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04:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Nomination Withdrawn 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 04:32, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
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The result was Nomintation Withdrawn. I withdraw the nomination (non-admin closure) 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 04:33, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Marin Mägi-Efert
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Non-Notable Actress, only sources i can find are WP:ROUTINE Coverage. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 17:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 17:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Theatre, and Estonia. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:48, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
Neutral. http://etbl.teatriliit.ee/artikkel/m%C3%A4gi-efert_marin1 is a serious source, but seems to be only one-- Estopedist1 ( talk) 18:58, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. She isn't "non-notable". She has an entry at
Eesti Entsüklopeedia/Eesti Teatriliit. There are subtstantive articles (more than "routine") about her in
Õhtuleht (
here and
here ) and in
Postimees (
here and
here). Postimees and Õhtuleht are the largest dailies in Estonia. Smaller articles (but still full articles) in Postimees (
here and
here),
Kroonika (
here and
here). And that was with just a cursory search. I don't think you did a proper
WP:BEFORE.
ExRat (
talk)
08:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Ohtulehtentsyklopeedia is mostly a database & does not pass WP:SIGCOV, all 4 of those Postimees articles are WP:ROUTINE, Kroonika Articles are WP:ROUTINE. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 14:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC)- What? Õhtuleht isn't a database. It's the largest Estonian entertainment daily newspaper in Estonia and the articles easily pass
WP:SIGCOV. The first two Postimees articles are in depth and explicitly about the subject. None are merely "routine" coverage.
ExRat (
talk)
16:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- whoops fixed the name, i meant entsyklopeedia not Ohtuleht.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk)
18:51, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- Eesti Entsüklopeedia isn't a "database". It's literally the digitized Estonian encyclopedia. Eesti Teatrillit is the same. Only notable people have entries. ExRat ( talk) 21:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- So according to you "she had a baby", "She played this role", "she did this" isn't routine coverage???
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk)
18:52, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- "
Per Wikipedia policy, routine news coverage of such things as announcements are not sufficient basis for an article. Planned coverage of scheduled events, especially when those involved in the event are also promoting it, is considered to be routine. Wedding announcements, sports scores, crime logs, and other items that tend to get an exemption from newsworthiness discussions should be considered routine."
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk)
18:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- In depth articles in major daily newspapers covering an actress's career and playing "this role" and "doing this" are indeed not routine announcements. ExRat ( talk) 21:30, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- "
Per Wikipedia policy, routine news coverage of such things as announcements are not sufficient basis for an article. Planned coverage of scheduled events, especially when those involved in the event are also promoting it, is considered to be routine. Wedding announcements, sports scores, crime logs, and other items that tend to get an exemption from newsworthiness discussions should be considered routine."
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk)
18:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- whoops fixed the name, i meant entsyklopeedia not Ohtuleht.
😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (
talk)
18:51, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- What? Õhtuleht isn't a database. It's the largest Estonian entertainment daily newspaper in Estonia and the articles easily pass
WP:SIGCOV. The first two Postimees articles are in depth and explicitly about the subject. None are merely "routine" coverage.
ExRat (
talk)
16:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh ( talk) 17:18, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - notable per entry in the non-profit, EU-backed national Estonian Encyclopedia as noted by ExRat above. See WP:ANYBIO. Also notable per ExRat's 6 media article citations.
- --
A. B. (
talk •
contribs •
global count)
04:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Nomination Withdrawn 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 ( talk) 04:32, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
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