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The result was delete. Consensus is that the article does not meet the notability guidelines. Davewild ( talk) 07:13, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
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Non-notable author. Fails both WP:AUTHOR and WP:BASIC. According to her self-published biography ( here), she is an "award-winning" author, but the awards she apparently won are little known: the 2003 Literary Prize of the National Gendarmerie (French: Prix littéraire de la Gendarmerie 2003) and the Award of Excellence at the Étretat Literary competition. I couldn't find any secondary source mentioning her awards. And she does not seem to have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Edcolins ( talk) 19:50, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
- Certainly, a strong sense of WP:PROMO in this article created by a single-purpose account Geothebg ( talk · contribs) (the other work on record by that editor is the also-problematic Geoffroy Faugérolas.) The material from the self-published biography (which I excised from the article for WP:COPYVIO reasons) suggests some coverage in various media sources, but without a listing of that or other significant sources (the article is currently all sourced to related-party sources or databases, neither of which show significance), it's hard to find real support for inclusion. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 20:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
- There is a passing reference in an 1996 article [1] in Le Monde, but no evidence of significant coverage. -- Edcolins ( talk) 20:26, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Paris Premiere (Marie-Ange) author of shows
[1]
Movie reference The Tsarevich
[2]
Her publisher Pygmalion-Flammarion
[3]
Her publisher l'Harmattan
[4]
Her American publisher Penguin
[5]
Her Distributor:
[6]
Marie-ange celebrity name:
[7]
La presse de la manche:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9s0fyosnmdcdrbg/Scan.jpeg?dl=0
30 articles on her first book:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u399w74qpz0cyj0/AAD0WRml-A1KAWlYvw86B9cFa?dl=0
and I can keep going like this for hours...
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Geothebg (
talk)
22:55, 25 June 2015 (UTC))
References
- ^ http://spectacles.premiere.fr/Salle-de-Spectacle/Spectacle/Les-Jumeaux-Drole-De-Magie-1530656
- ^ http://www.cinelinx.com/indie-beat/item/5448-reviewed-the-tsarevich-a-film-to-keep-an-eye-on-this-festival-season.html
- ^ http://editions.flammarion.com/Search_Result.cfm?keywords=faugerolas
- ^ http://www.editions-harmattan.fr/index.asp?navig=catalogue&obj=result&ntable=0&andor=OR&artiste=faugerolas&motExact=1&orderby=titre&ordermode=ASC
- ^ http://www.editions-harmattan.fr/index.asp?navig=catalogue&obj=result&ntable=0&andor=OR&artiste=faugerolas&motExact=1&orderby=titre&ordermode=ASC
- ^ https://bnccatalist.ca/ViewTitle.aspx?id=2127323
- ^ https://www.dropbox.com/s/b2om9xhxgd4pydz/Journal%20Des%20Femmes.png?dl=0
- Most of the things you list don't actually help the case. We're not doubting that the subject exists, the question is establishing notability, so databases of films, or publishers' listings, don't advance that. The book reviews do a better job; my French is not good enough (i.e, it's non-existent) to judge whether they fully contribute to the type of notability that WP:AUTHOR calls for. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 01:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
What about the presence of her work in the universities around America? http://www.worldcat.org/title/theophile-gautier-lhomme-des-femmes/oclc/52055570&referer=brief_results Geothebg ( talk) 03:03, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
- Not really, no. Please read WP:AUTHOR to understand better what we're looking for. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 03:19, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the information. I've collected on the subject's website a collection of articles written about her: http://marieangefaugerolas.com/news-awards/ Geothebg ( talk) 05:10, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
- As you can apparently place things on the author's domain, you should probably review our guidelines for dealing with conflicts of interest as well. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 05:19, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
That's why I wanted to contribute with the sources and let the team of editors have an objective edit of the article. Geothebg ( talk) 05:25, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for all these references
[2]!
I will have a look.-- Edcolins ( talk) 20:30, 26 June 2015 (UTC) - I've read through the references you provided (except for the one in arabic, it seems), and I still think that she is not notable enough, per WP:BIO. The coverage fails the "significant coverage" threshold. I can only see "brief bursts of news coverage" (see WP:NOTTEMPORARY) in mostly local or regional outlets at the time some of her books were published, possibly in the context of promotional activities. There are also a lot of passing references. -- Edcolins ( talk) 14:03, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. My media sweeps did not reveal much. Even an unfiltered search did not yield much either; the so-called sources listed in the article or this page really are not up to snuff as per WP:RS.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 01:08, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 Talk 15:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable writer. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:05, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Consensus is that the article does not meet the notability guidelines. Davewild ( talk) 07:13, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
- Marie-Ange Faugérolas ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Non-notable author. Fails both WP:AUTHOR and WP:BASIC. According to her self-published biography ( here), she is an "award-winning" author, but the awards she apparently won are little known: the 2003 Literary Prize of the National Gendarmerie (French: Prix littéraire de la Gendarmerie 2003) and the Award of Excellence at the Étretat Literary competition. I couldn't find any secondary source mentioning her awards. And she does not seem to have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Edcolins ( talk) 19:50, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
- Certainly, a strong sense of WP:PROMO in this article created by a single-purpose account Geothebg ( talk · contribs) (the other work on record by that editor is the also-problematic Geoffroy Faugérolas.) The material from the self-published biography (which I excised from the article for WP:COPYVIO reasons) suggests some coverage in various media sources, but without a listing of that or other significant sources (the article is currently all sourced to related-party sources or databases, neither of which show significance), it's hard to find real support for inclusion. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 20:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
- There is a passing reference in an 1996 article [1] in Le Monde, but no evidence of significant coverage. -- Edcolins ( talk) 20:26, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Paris Premiere (Marie-Ange) author of shows
[1]
Movie reference The Tsarevich
[2]
Her publisher Pygmalion-Flammarion
[3]
Her publisher l'Harmattan
[4]
Her American publisher Penguin
[5]
Her Distributor:
[6]
Marie-ange celebrity name:
[7]
La presse de la manche:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9s0fyosnmdcdrbg/Scan.jpeg?dl=0
30 articles on her first book:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u399w74qpz0cyj0/AAD0WRml-A1KAWlYvw86B9cFa?dl=0
and I can keep going like this for hours...
(
Geothebg (
talk)
22:55, 25 June 2015 (UTC))
References
- ^ http://spectacles.premiere.fr/Salle-de-Spectacle/Spectacle/Les-Jumeaux-Drole-De-Magie-1530656
- ^ http://www.cinelinx.com/indie-beat/item/5448-reviewed-the-tsarevich-a-film-to-keep-an-eye-on-this-festival-season.html
- ^ http://editions.flammarion.com/Search_Result.cfm?keywords=faugerolas
- ^ http://www.editions-harmattan.fr/index.asp?navig=catalogue&obj=result&ntable=0&andor=OR&artiste=faugerolas&motExact=1&orderby=titre&ordermode=ASC
- ^ http://www.editions-harmattan.fr/index.asp?navig=catalogue&obj=result&ntable=0&andor=OR&artiste=faugerolas&motExact=1&orderby=titre&ordermode=ASC
- ^ https://bnccatalist.ca/ViewTitle.aspx?id=2127323
- ^ https://www.dropbox.com/s/b2om9xhxgd4pydz/Journal%20Des%20Femmes.png?dl=0
- Most of the things you list don't actually help the case. We're not doubting that the subject exists, the question is establishing notability, so databases of films, or publishers' listings, don't advance that. The book reviews do a better job; my French is not good enough (i.e, it's non-existent) to judge whether they fully contribute to the type of notability that WP:AUTHOR calls for. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 01:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
What about the presence of her work in the universities around America? http://www.worldcat.org/title/theophile-gautier-lhomme-des-femmes/oclc/52055570&referer=brief_results Geothebg ( talk) 03:03, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
- Not really, no. Please read WP:AUTHOR to understand better what we're looking for. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 03:19, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the information. I've collected on the subject's website a collection of articles written about her: http://marieangefaugerolas.com/news-awards/ Geothebg ( talk) 05:10, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
- As you can apparently place things on the author's domain, you should probably review our guidelines for dealing with conflicts of interest as well. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 05:19, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
That's why I wanted to contribute with the sources and let the team of editors have an objective edit of the article. Geothebg ( talk) 05:25, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for all these references
[2]!
I will have a look.-- Edcolins ( talk) 20:30, 26 June 2015 (UTC) - I've read through the references you provided (except for the one in arabic, it seems), and I still think that she is not notable enough, per WP:BIO. The coverage fails the "significant coverage" threshold. I can only see "brief bursts of news coverage" (see WP:NOTTEMPORARY) in mostly local or regional outlets at the time some of her books were published, possibly in the context of promotional activities. There are also a lot of passing references. -- Edcolins ( talk) 14:03, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. My media sweeps did not reveal much. Even an unfiltered search did not yield much either; the so-called sources listed in the article or this page really are not up to snuff as per WP:RS.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 01:08, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 20:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 20:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 20:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 ( Talk) 13:57, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JAaron95 Talk 15:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable writer. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 16:05, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.