The result was keep -- Selket Talk 14:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC) reply
record superceded R Young { yakł talk} 23:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC) reply
More detail: this case is/was a 'placeholder' as the 'world's oldest person.' However, we now have evidence that Ms. Elizabeth Kensley of the UK was the actual titleholder (being 109) and thus this page is no longer relevant and will be 'orphaned.' R Young { yakł talk} 23:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment True, this was not a 'SPAM' or 'JUNK' article...but it was a 'placeholder' article. Now that we have an older person to replace Mrs. Zinndorf, I'm not sure if we still need her article. The same goes for Kiet Portier-Tan which could also be deleted. I'm all for keeping historical placeholders, but these were only recognized for about 2-5 years. Regards 68.211.77.10 00:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment This case is actualy very simple. I edited the article as Guinness never awarded her the oldest person in the world title. Just the people who didn't know of the Guinness 1965 edition book presumed she was oldest.
Comment. The records-collection process can be dicey. In 1988, Guinness had awarded the "oldest living person" title to Orpha Nusbaum, 112..only to have several older claimants emerge. To be more correct, Margarethe Zinndorf was listed in the 2005 Guinness Book, and so was recognized by Guinness then. It was a case of the 'left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing'. People working at Guinness in 2005 weren't the same people from 40 years earlier, and the pre-internet age means that much early information remains unincorporated into the system. It may be that additional early cases will emerge (for example, does anyone have a 1964 Guinness Book?). R Young { yakł talk} 05:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
And since she is still the verified 2nd oldest person in the world list, her status on deletion should be parallel to all other second-oldest-person-in-the-world article biographies that did not become the oldest person in the world. If you want to see a list of second oldest persons in the world, you can consult with the updating http://www.nealirc.org/Gerontology/Since1955.html for other people parallel to Margarethe Zinndorf. Neal 05:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment. I don't agree with that. Note that the 1960's records were sort of a 'shoestring' effort, whereas today we have very large datasets. Second-oldest today means a lot more. to be the second-fastest of 100 participants in a race means more than being the second-fastest of five participants--and what if you only had two entries? Would finishing second and last then mean as much as finishing second of 100? R Young { yakł talk} 05:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Strong keep. As per my own comment and also Neal's. Extremely sexy 15:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Keep, as notable for oldest person in her country at the time. Notability of old people is not just contingent on their being the oldest in the world. Maybe she can be a place-holder for her country, with the rest to be filled in as and when per Eventualism. Jdcooper 03:24, 3 May 2007 (UTC) reply
The result was keep -- Selket Talk 14:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC) reply
record superceded R Young { yakł talk} 23:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC) reply
More detail: this case is/was a 'placeholder' as the 'world's oldest person.' However, we now have evidence that Ms. Elizabeth Kensley of the UK was the actual titleholder (being 109) and thus this page is no longer relevant and will be 'orphaned.' R Young { yakł talk} 23:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment True, this was not a 'SPAM' or 'JUNK' article...but it was a 'placeholder' article. Now that we have an older person to replace Mrs. Zinndorf, I'm not sure if we still need her article. The same goes for Kiet Portier-Tan which could also be deleted. I'm all for keeping historical placeholders, but these were only recognized for about 2-5 years. Regards 68.211.77.10 00:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment This case is actualy very simple. I edited the article as Guinness never awarded her the oldest person in the world title. Just the people who didn't know of the Guinness 1965 edition book presumed she was oldest.
Comment. The records-collection process can be dicey. In 1988, Guinness had awarded the "oldest living person" title to Orpha Nusbaum, 112..only to have several older claimants emerge. To be more correct, Margarethe Zinndorf was listed in the 2005 Guinness Book, and so was recognized by Guinness then. It was a case of the 'left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing'. People working at Guinness in 2005 weren't the same people from 40 years earlier, and the pre-internet age means that much early information remains unincorporated into the system. It may be that additional early cases will emerge (for example, does anyone have a 1964 Guinness Book?). R Young { yakł talk} 05:48, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
And since she is still the verified 2nd oldest person in the world list, her status on deletion should be parallel to all other second-oldest-person-in-the-world article biographies that did not become the oldest person in the world. If you want to see a list of second oldest persons in the world, you can consult with the updating http://www.nealirc.org/Gerontology/Since1955.html for other people parallel to Margarethe Zinndorf. Neal 05:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment. I don't agree with that. Note that the 1960's records were sort of a 'shoestring' effort, whereas today we have very large datasets. Second-oldest today means a lot more. to be the second-fastest of 100 participants in a race means more than being the second-fastest of five participants--and what if you only had two entries? Would finishing second and last then mean as much as finishing second of 100? R Young { yakł talk} 05:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Strong keep. As per my own comment and also Neal's. Extremely sexy 15:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC) reply
Keep, as notable for oldest person in her country at the time. Notability of old people is not just contingent on their being the oldest in the world. Maybe she can be a place-holder for her country, with the rest to be filled in as and when per Eventualism. Jdcooper 03:24, 3 May 2007 (UTC) reply