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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 11:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
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I don't think that this passes WP:ORGCRIT. All sources currently in the article are non-independent (or fail to address the modern Marcionite Christian Church in-depth). A search for sources fails to find significant coverage. — Mikehawk10 ( talk) 20:08, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
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Is there a chance I could improve my article in any way? - MCMax05 ( talk) 21:51, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
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21:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
- User:MCMax05, you are welcome to go ahead and improve the article while this AFD is running. Many articles up for AFD are improved convincingly resulting in their being kept. wp:HEY is about that. Focus on adding reliable sources with substantial coverage of the topic. And even if the article is not kept in mainspace you can obtain a copy for your own user space or draft space and continue developing it towards being obviously mainspace-ready. -- Doncram ( talk) 21:37, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, tentatively. The topic of this or any other "neo-Marcionite" church is not mentioned yet in the Marcionite/ Marcionism article. One option would be to develop the topic in a new section there, and eventually split it out. But the topic of new churches claiming to proceed in the old Marcionite tradition doesn't naturally fit there, IMHO, and it would give perhaps wp:UNDUE coverage of this and any others. So offhand I would prefer to keep it out of the Marcionite article, and only have a "See also" type link from there. I would prefer for this to be developed with reliable sources establishing significance. The article is written well so far, though, IMHO. -- Doncram ( talk) 21:37, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
- Potential keep -- We do normally keep articles on denominations. However, before reaching a final view, I would like to know how many congregations and/or members it has. I have a suspicion that this is a small number of cranks without premises, but I do not know. Peterkingiron ( talk) 18:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
- Peterkingiron, the link to the number of congregations is unavailable because it is limited to Tor browser. - MCMax05 ( talk) 11:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete A "Church" who's headquarters is supposed to be in Corinth, Greece but their website (which btw is the main source of the article) is only in English, no address in Corinth is listed (there is only a map that shows the place where the local Orthodox Cathederal is located), and no Greek tel. number to contact the "Church" (actually it's a US number). Strange, very strange. They name as their "bishop" a certain "Andrew Philologos" (in Greek this would be Ανδρέας Φιλόλογος), but nothing can be found on him. I have tried to find anything in Greek on this "Church" in Corinth, but it was a failure. There are no third-party, reliable sources dealing with the subject. A totally self-referenced case. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 ( talk) 00:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as this is a self referenced advert for the fringe views of this organisation without enough support in independent reliable sources in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 01:49, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as Too Soon. It's impossible to find anything out about this lot, so for all we know it's one crank and a website. Denominations deserve articles, but we need some independent source saying this is a genuine denomination with genuine adherents. Elemimele ( talk) 12:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- I can't see any sources that show notability, and I'm very suspicious of recently established denominations that describe themselves as "neo-" something ancient. That's usually a sign that it actually is one crank with a website. Phil Bridger ( talk) 13:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm not seeing in-depth coverage in independent sources. Haukur ( talk) 22:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 11:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
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I don't think that this passes WP:ORGCRIT. All sources currently in the article are non-independent (or fail to address the modern Marcionite Christian Church in-depth). A search for sources fails to find significant coverage. — Mikehawk10 ( talk) 20:08, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
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Is there a chance I could improve my article in any way? - MCMax05 ( talk) 21:51, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
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Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
21:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
- User:MCMax05, you are welcome to go ahead and improve the article while this AFD is running. Many articles up for AFD are improved convincingly resulting in their being kept. wp:HEY is about that. Focus on adding reliable sources with substantial coverage of the topic. And even if the article is not kept in mainspace you can obtain a copy for your own user space or draft space and continue developing it towards being obviously mainspace-ready. -- Doncram ( talk) 21:37, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, tentatively. The topic of this or any other "neo-Marcionite" church is not mentioned yet in the Marcionite/ Marcionism article. One option would be to develop the topic in a new section there, and eventually split it out. But the topic of new churches claiming to proceed in the old Marcionite tradition doesn't naturally fit there, IMHO, and it would give perhaps wp:UNDUE coverage of this and any others. So offhand I would prefer to keep it out of the Marcionite article, and only have a "See also" type link from there. I would prefer for this to be developed with reliable sources establishing significance. The article is written well so far, though, IMHO. -- Doncram ( talk) 21:37, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
- Potential keep -- We do normally keep articles on denominations. However, before reaching a final view, I would like to know how many congregations and/or members it has. I have a suspicion that this is a small number of cranks without premises, but I do not know. Peterkingiron ( talk) 18:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
- Peterkingiron, the link to the number of congregations is unavailable because it is limited to Tor browser. - MCMax05 ( talk) 11:51, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete A "Church" who's headquarters is supposed to be in Corinth, Greece but their website (which btw is the main source of the article) is only in English, no address in Corinth is listed (there is only a map that shows the place where the local Orthodox Cathederal is located), and no Greek tel. number to contact the "Church" (actually it's a US number). Strange, very strange. They name as their "bishop" a certain "Andrew Philologos" (in Greek this would be Ανδρέας Φιλόλογος), but nothing can be found on him. I have tried to find anything in Greek on this "Church" in Corinth, but it was a failure. There are no third-party, reliable sources dealing with the subject. A totally self-referenced case. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 ( talk) 00:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as this is a self referenced advert for the fringe views of this organisation without enough support in independent reliable sources in my view, Atlantic306 ( talk) 01:49, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:38, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as Too Soon. It's impossible to find anything out about this lot, so for all we know it's one crank and a website. Denominations deserve articles, but we need some independent source saying this is a genuine denomination with genuine adherents. Elemimele ( talk) 12:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- I can't see any sources that show notability, and I'm very suspicious of recently established denominations that describe themselves as "neo-" something ancient. That's usually a sign that it actually is one crank with a website. Phil Bridger ( talk) 13:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm not seeing in-depth coverage in independent sources. Haukur ( talk) 22:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
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