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The result was keep. Evidence has been provided that this village meets
WP:GEOLAND. Perhaps users here may be interested in improving the article with references provided herein; it is presently rather poorly sourced. North America100001:24, 3 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete, the
NGA GEOnet Names Server brings up nothing by this name in Pakistan (there is a village in Madagascar, apparently) which isn't a good sign. A small village or compound does appear to exist at the given coordinates, but Google Maps declines to name it. The article was created by a three-edit account, so its possible we are looking at a hoax or a gross misspelling here. FWIW,
WP:GEOLAND is the relevant notability guideline; I can find no evidence that the location is legally recognized (no postal code, not mentioned in the Pakistani census that I can see), so deletion seems appropriate. Happy to change my vote if someone more knowledgeable about Pakistani sources finds other information.
Antepenultimate (
talk)
13:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep: In Census table (1998 is the most recent published Census:
1998 District Census report of Jhang. Census publication. Vol. 114. Islamabad: Population Census Organization, Statistics Division, Government of Pakistan. 2000. p. 246.) as "Mangoana QH", with a population of 74,753, so a significant population unit. Also on Google Maps
[1] and
here and it seems they have frequent power cuts
[2] (as "Manguana")
: Noyster (talk),15:16, 23 December 2016 (UTC)reply
Thanks
Noyster, I've changed my vote based on the census ref you located. However something isn't adding up, the population figure doesn't jive with the satellite view offered by Google, which shows a rather small cluster of buildings - I just can't believe 74,753 people live (or ever lived) within the boundaries provided by Google. At a generous estimate of 250 buildings, that's nearly 300 people per building. Perhaps this has something to do with the "QH" designation, which I can't seem to find a meaning for - I wouldn't want to add it to the article until it's clear what was measured there.
NGA GEOnet does have two entries for Manguana in Pakistan, the one with coords that best match Google's is an alternate name for what they've officially deemed "Chak Two Hundred Forty-One" (no deeplink possible, alas).
Antepenultimate (
talk)
20:36, 23 December 2016 (UTC)reply
Here we are: QH, Qanungo Halqa (an administrative subdistrict)[3]. The diagram on p. 38
here shows the QH as a tier intermediate between the District and the individual settlement. I also see Wikipedia has Mangoana is listed as a "locality" in {{
Neighbourhoods of Chiniot}} and as a village in the list in
Bhawana Tehsil. The likelihood is that the name Mangoana is used for an individual village and also, for administrative purposes, a group of villages. The situation is less than crystal clear but I think there's enough to call it a "recognised populated place"
: Noyster (talk),00:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Evidence has been provided that this village meets
WP:GEOLAND. Perhaps users here may be interested in improving the article with references provided herein; it is presently rather poorly sourced. North America100001:24, 3 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete, the
NGA GEOnet Names Server brings up nothing by this name in Pakistan (there is a village in Madagascar, apparently) which isn't a good sign. A small village or compound does appear to exist at the given coordinates, but Google Maps declines to name it. The article was created by a three-edit account, so its possible we are looking at a hoax or a gross misspelling here. FWIW,
WP:GEOLAND is the relevant notability guideline; I can find no evidence that the location is legally recognized (no postal code, not mentioned in the Pakistani census that I can see), so deletion seems appropriate. Happy to change my vote if someone more knowledgeable about Pakistani sources finds other information.
Antepenultimate (
talk)
13:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep: In Census table (1998 is the most recent published Census:
1998 District Census report of Jhang. Census publication. Vol. 114. Islamabad: Population Census Organization, Statistics Division, Government of Pakistan. 2000. p. 246.) as "Mangoana QH", with a population of 74,753, so a significant population unit. Also on Google Maps
[1] and
here and it seems they have frequent power cuts
[2] (as "Manguana")
: Noyster (talk),15:16, 23 December 2016 (UTC)reply
Thanks
Noyster, I've changed my vote based on the census ref you located. However something isn't adding up, the population figure doesn't jive with the satellite view offered by Google, which shows a rather small cluster of buildings - I just can't believe 74,753 people live (or ever lived) within the boundaries provided by Google. At a generous estimate of 250 buildings, that's nearly 300 people per building. Perhaps this has something to do with the "QH" designation, which I can't seem to find a meaning for - I wouldn't want to add it to the article until it's clear what was measured there.
NGA GEOnet does have two entries for Manguana in Pakistan, the one with coords that best match Google's is an alternate name for what they've officially deemed "Chak Two Hundred Forty-One" (no deeplink possible, alas).
Antepenultimate (
talk)
20:36, 23 December 2016 (UTC)reply
Here we are: QH, Qanungo Halqa (an administrative subdistrict)[3]. The diagram on p. 38
here shows the QH as a tier intermediate between the District and the individual settlement. I also see Wikipedia has Mangoana is listed as a "locality" in {{
Neighbourhoods of Chiniot}} and as a village in the list in
Bhawana Tehsil. The likelihood is that the name Mangoana is used for an individual village and also, for administrative purposes, a group of villages. The situation is less than crystal clear but I think there's enough to call it a "recognised populated place"
: Noyster (talk),00:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC)reply
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