- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Those editors interested in a Merge can start a discussion on the article talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 22:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Mané pelado
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Mané pelado ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Not notable,
WP:BEFORE check lists only recipes and trivial mentions. –
Hilst
[talk]
14:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. –
Hilst [talk]14:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC) - Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. Ks0stm ( T• C• G• E) 14:19, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Hi Hilst, my apologies but I don't agree with your assessment that this article is not notable. Also, I'm not sure how WP:BEFORE applies here. While some of the sources that I've used for this article do contain recipes, they all also speak more broadly about mané pelado. Bom gourmet is a Brazilian food news organization (this source originally linked to Gazeta do povo but it looks like they were incorporated into Bom gourmet), Cybercook is a subsidiary of the French Carrefour, Globo is the most popular news organization in Brazil, and Territorios Gastronomicos is a Brazilian food channel. I can provide translations of any of the material contained in these sources if need be. BaduFerreira ( talk) 14:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Cassava cake – No notability in Brazilian gastronomy, just a regional name for cassava cake, present throughout the regions. Svartner ( talk) 10:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- Additional comment – Do my sources not establish notability? They all come from reliable sources. Here's another source that mentions mané pelado ( link), but save for the Bom Gourmet source (that mentions mané pelado in addition to other desserts), all the sources currently used in the article are reliable independent secondary sources that give significant coverage of mané pelado. Additionally, mané pelado is different from the Brazilian cassava cake (bolo de mandioca) that is found around Brazil because mané pelado uses cheese and bolo de mandioca does not. It's also a regional staple to the Brazilian state of Goiás and the broader Center-West, whereas bolo de mandioca isn't associated with a certain region. It's like the difference between chocolate cake and black forest cake. Fundamentally, they're both chocolate cake but black forest cake is notable for being from Germany and includes cherries. Furthermore, merging to Cassava cake would be inappropriate as no Brazilian bolo de mandioca uses custard or coconut milk in their recipes. It looks like the only similarity between Mané pelado and Cassava cake is that they both use yuca, which I believe supports Mané pelado having its own stand-alone article. BaduFerreira ( talk) 14:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: The G1 source in the article is fine, but the rest of what I can find are trivial mentions in travel guides (this restaurant has the best mane pelado) or recipes. I don't see SIGCOV Oaktree b ( talk) 16:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:46, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep A very traditional cake in the state of Goiás, as confirmed by the sources. It is mentioned is multiple scholar articles related to the cuisine of Goiás. Skyshifter talk 15:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. I vote to merge mainly because it seems this article relies heavily on WP:BLOGS like Cybercook, which usually don't qualify as a reliable source. If any of the scholarly sources mentioned might be better used, there would be a stronger argument to keep the page. GuardianH ( talk) 21:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Additional comment I've removed the Cybercook source and added three more sources which I believe give WP:SIGCOV. Please feel free to suggest further improvements. BaduFerreira ( talk) 01:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Could those editor advocating a Merge provide a link to the target article they are proposing? Thanks.
Liz
Read!
Talk!
01:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- See
Cassava cake. "Mané pelado" is just a variation of the recipe, present in all regions of Brazil and not just in Goiás.
Svartner (
talk)
05:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Can you show me a source that shows that the Brazilian mané pelado is a variation of the Filipino cassava cake? Additionally, if the original issue with the
mané pelado article was that it used sources that contained recipes, I'd say that the
cassava cake article needs serious adjustments to remove references that are
currently used like
1,
2,
3,
4, and
5.
BaduFerreira (
talk)
10:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a variation of the Filipino recipe, but it is a variation of cassava cake. Information on Brazilian variations, such as "Mané pelado", can and should be added to the scope of the main article.
Svartner (
talk)
05:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- The cassava cake article is about the Filipino dessert, not cakes that contain cassava in general. There is no main article for cakes that contain cassava in general and that's what the Cassava cake (disambiguation) page is for. It makes no sense to include information about a Brazilian dessert in an article about a Filipino dessert that's only relation is that its primary ingredient is also cassava/yuca. Mané pelado is the only type of bolo de mandioca (translated as cassava cake) that I've found reliable sources for, which is why it exists as an independent article. BaduFerreira ( talk) 12:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a variation of the Filipino recipe, but it is a variation of cassava cake. Information on Brazilian variations, such as "Mané pelado", can and should be added to the scope of the main article.
Svartner (
talk)
05:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Can you show me a source that shows that the Brazilian mané pelado is a variation of the Filipino cassava cake? Additionally, if the original issue with the
mané pelado article was that it used sources that contained recipes, I'd say that the
cassava cake article needs serious adjustments to remove references that are
currently used like
1,
2,
3,
4, and
5.
BaduFerreira (
talk)
10:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- See
Cassava cake. "Mané pelado" is just a variation of the recipe, present in all regions of Brazil and not just in Goiás.
Svartner (
talk)
05:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist as there is disagreement over whether or not a Merge to a similar article is a valid option or whether this has notability as a standalone article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Just a look in Google Books and you can see how common it is. The South American community know all about it. It would be as common to South American people as Po'e would be Society Islanders, Cook Island people etc. Karl Twist ( talk) 12:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Those editors interested in a Merge can start a discussion on the article talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 22:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Mané pelado
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Mané pelado ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Not notable,
WP:BEFORE check lists only recipes and trivial mentions. –
Hilst
[talk]
14:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. –
Hilst [talk]14:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC) - Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. Ks0stm ( T• C• G• E) 14:19, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Hi Hilst, my apologies but I don't agree with your assessment that this article is not notable. Also, I'm not sure how WP:BEFORE applies here. While some of the sources that I've used for this article do contain recipes, they all also speak more broadly about mané pelado. Bom gourmet is a Brazilian food news organization (this source originally linked to Gazeta do povo but it looks like they were incorporated into Bom gourmet), Cybercook is a subsidiary of the French Carrefour, Globo is the most popular news organization in Brazil, and Territorios Gastronomicos is a Brazilian food channel. I can provide translations of any of the material contained in these sources if need be. BaduFerreira ( talk) 14:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Cassava cake – No notability in Brazilian gastronomy, just a regional name for cassava cake, present throughout the regions. Svartner ( talk) 10:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- Additional comment – Do my sources not establish notability? They all come from reliable sources. Here's another source that mentions mané pelado ( link), but save for the Bom Gourmet source (that mentions mané pelado in addition to other desserts), all the sources currently used in the article are reliable independent secondary sources that give significant coverage of mané pelado. Additionally, mané pelado is different from the Brazilian cassava cake (bolo de mandioca) that is found around Brazil because mané pelado uses cheese and bolo de mandioca does not. It's also a regional staple to the Brazilian state of Goiás and the broader Center-West, whereas bolo de mandioca isn't associated with a certain region. It's like the difference between chocolate cake and black forest cake. Fundamentally, they're both chocolate cake but black forest cake is notable for being from Germany and includes cherries. Furthermore, merging to Cassava cake would be inappropriate as no Brazilian bolo de mandioca uses custard or coconut milk in their recipes. It looks like the only similarity between Mané pelado and Cassava cake is that they both use yuca, which I believe supports Mané pelado having its own stand-alone article. BaduFerreira ( talk) 14:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: The G1 source in the article is fine, but the rest of what I can find are trivial mentions in travel guides (this restaurant has the best mane pelado) or recipes. I don't see SIGCOV Oaktree b ( talk) 16:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:46, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep A very traditional cake in the state of Goiás, as confirmed by the sources. It is mentioned is multiple scholar articles related to the cuisine of Goiás. Skyshifter talk 15:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. I vote to merge mainly because it seems this article relies heavily on WP:BLOGS like Cybercook, which usually don't qualify as a reliable source. If any of the scholarly sources mentioned might be better used, there would be a stronger argument to keep the page. GuardianH ( talk) 21:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Additional comment I've removed the Cybercook source and added three more sources which I believe give WP:SIGCOV. Please feel free to suggest further improvements. BaduFerreira ( talk) 01:04, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Could those editor advocating a Merge provide a link to the target article they are proposing? Thanks.
Liz
Read!
Talk!
01:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- See
Cassava cake. "Mané pelado" is just a variation of the recipe, present in all regions of Brazil and not just in Goiás.
Svartner (
talk)
05:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Can you show me a source that shows that the Brazilian mané pelado is a variation of the Filipino cassava cake? Additionally, if the original issue with the
mané pelado article was that it used sources that contained recipes, I'd say that the
cassava cake article needs serious adjustments to remove references that are
currently used like
1,
2,
3,
4, and
5.
BaduFerreira (
talk)
10:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a variation of the Filipino recipe, but it is a variation of cassava cake. Information on Brazilian variations, such as "Mané pelado", can and should be added to the scope of the main article.
Svartner (
talk)
05:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- The cassava cake article is about the Filipino dessert, not cakes that contain cassava in general. There is no main article for cakes that contain cassava in general and that's what the Cassava cake (disambiguation) page is for. It makes no sense to include information about a Brazilian dessert in an article about a Filipino dessert that's only relation is that its primary ingredient is also cassava/yuca. Mané pelado is the only type of bolo de mandioca (translated as cassava cake) that I've found reliable sources for, which is why it exists as an independent article. BaduFerreira ( talk) 12:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a variation of the Filipino recipe, but it is a variation of cassava cake. Information on Brazilian variations, such as "Mané pelado", can and should be added to the scope of the main article.
Svartner (
talk)
05:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Can you show me a source that shows that the Brazilian mané pelado is a variation of the Filipino cassava cake? Additionally, if the original issue with the
mané pelado article was that it used sources that contained recipes, I'd say that the
cassava cake article needs serious adjustments to remove references that are
currently used like
1,
2,
3,
4, and
5.
BaduFerreira (
talk)
10:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- See
Cassava cake. "Mané pelado" is just a variation of the recipe, present in all regions of Brazil and not just in Goiás.
Svartner (
talk)
05:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist as there is disagreement over whether or not a Merge to a similar article is a valid option or whether this has notability as a standalone article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Just a look in Google Books and you can see how common it is. The South American community know all about it. It would be as common to South American people as Po'e would be Society Islanders, Cook Island people etc. Karl Twist ( talk) 12:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.