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The result was redirect to Guildford Four and Maguire Seven. I see a consensus here to Redirect this article. Liz Read! Talk! 07:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
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Already covered in Guildford Four and Maguire Seven. Article length at primary topic does not justify a split. Split article creation seems fairly recent, and the subject can be covered with the Guildford Four at the primary article. Redirect to that article looks like the preferred outcome. — Paper Luigi T • C 04:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Agree per nom. Much of the two topics overlaps. Any valid additions can be made to the combined article. The newly split article already gets on a wrong foot with a strange introduction. Str1977 (talk) 10:20, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment John Donaldson, of Lymington presided over the trials of the Maguire Seven in 1976 and the Guildford Four in 1975- They are different subjects each meeting the requirements for a unique wiki page. Hazardous to Health ( talk) 13:08, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- How is the fact that the same judge presided over these two trials an argument for separate Wikipedia articles. The two subjects have a lot of material in common - only the details of the allegations and the original trial - minus the common judge - are different. Str1977 (talk) 07:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Yes, the Maguire Seven are generally covered in the context of the Guildford Four, but not exclusively. A paper from 2022 compares them to the Birmingham Six, as does an academic book from 2019. There's also some coverage in Russian of them as a standalone group of people. I understand the reason to merge here is WP:NOPAGE, but I do think it's possible to have a separate article on the seven without overduplication occurring. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 19:16, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Guildford Four and Maguire Seven: I see no advantage to keeping the new, inferiorly-sourced page as a content fork. The encyclopedic value of the two cases is combined: anyone looking for one is likely to be interested in the other as well. There's little point in splitting the two and requiring readers to click the "See also:" link. Owen× ☎ 13:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Guildford Four and Maguire Seven. I see a consensus here to Redirect this article. Liz Read! Talk! 07:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Maguire Seven ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Already covered in Guildford Four and Maguire Seven. Article length at primary topic does not justify a split. Split article creation seems fairly recent, and the subject can be covered with the Guildford Four at the primary article. Redirect to that article looks like the preferred outcome. — Paper Luigi T • C 04:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:57, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Northern Ireland-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Agree per nom. Much of the two topics overlaps. Any valid additions can be made to the combined article. The newly split article already gets on a wrong foot with a strange introduction. Str1977 (talk) 10:20, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment John Donaldson, of Lymington presided over the trials of the Maguire Seven in 1976 and the Guildford Four in 1975- They are different subjects each meeting the requirements for a unique wiki page. Hazardous to Health ( talk) 13:08, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- How is the fact that the same judge presided over these two trials an argument for separate Wikipedia articles. The two subjects have a lot of material in common - only the details of the allegations and the original trial - minus the common judge - are different. Str1977 (talk) 07:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Yes, the Maguire Seven are generally covered in the context of the Guildford Four, but not exclusively. A paper from 2022 compares them to the Birmingham Six, as does an academic book from 2019. There's also some coverage in Russian of them as a standalone group of people. I understand the reason to merge here is WP:NOPAGE, but I do think it's possible to have a separate article on the seven without overduplication occurring. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 19:16, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Guildford Four and Maguire Seven: I see no advantage to keeping the new, inferiorly-sourced page as a content fork. The encyclopedic value of the two cases is combined: anyone looking for one is likely to be interested in the other as well. There's little point in splitting the two and requiring readers to click the "See also:" link. Owen× ☎ 13:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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