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The result was merge to Oryx and Crake. Davewild ( talk) 16:04, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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Television project in development, with no script or pilot order- nothing has been filmed or even written. Fails WP:CRYSTAL, as project is not at all certain to take place. Doesn't merit a standalone article at this time. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 19:33, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Delete HBO's pilot process is a lot different from the industry and has left alot of projects many other networks would pick up not so on HBO. No prejudice to re-creation if this gets a series order, but for now, just something in a "when we get to it" kind of development. Nate • ( chatter) 20:37, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Lots of television projects enter the development pipeline, but for one reason or another fail to ever come out the other end. The time for an article about it, accordingly, is not "the moment the project is announced as being in development", but "when the show is officially upfronted by the network" — meaning when we know for sure that it's definitely happening and not just planned. Until then, it's WP:TOOSOON for us to maintain a standalone article about it. Delete, without prejudice against recreation once HBO officially announces a firm premiere date. Update: also willing to accept Tokyogirl's suggested redirect to the first novel in the trilogy. Bearcat ( talk) 23:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to
Oryx and Crake. If this trilogy had a series page I'd suggest merging and redirecting there, but lacking this I'd suggest that this be merged into the page for the first book. This has only been recently announced and even if it gets a pilot made there's still no guarantee that it'd be picked up. I'd wager that only 10% of prospective series get made into series and even then, that estimate is probably a little too high and that's still no guarantee that the series would be popular enough to warrant a page. But like I said, merge and redirect is probably the best outcome in this instance.
Tokyogirl79
(｡◕‿◕｡) 04:44, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not even sure it's worth noting on the book's page that a series is in development for the reasons you mentioned- it may end up being fruitless. The information fails WP:CRYSTAL. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 18:29, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- No, the fact that development of the series based on the book has begun is not crystalballing, but sourced and relevant information. Whether it merits an article is another question. Sandstein 19:26, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- Development news is not encyclopedic, since nothing has yet been produced. It is news that something might happen, which is definitely in CRYSTAL territory. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 19:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- CRYSTAL would cover unsourced predictions about when the show might premiere, who might be cast in it, how many episodes it might have, how faithful it might or mightn't be to the original books, and on and so forth. If the source says "project is in development" and our article says the same without going beyond what can be sourced, then that certainly falls under WP:TOOSOON but isn't a CRYSTAL issue. Bearcat ( talk) 02:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
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- Merge to Oryx and Crake as suggested above until it gets more coverage. Sandstein 19:23, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 18:40, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 18:40, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Merge selectively to Oryx and Crake per above. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:28, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Oryx and Crake. Davewild ( talk) 16:04, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
- MaddAddam (TV series) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Television project in development, with no script or pilot order- nothing has been filmed or even written. Fails WP:CRYSTAL, as project is not at all certain to take place. Doesn't merit a standalone article at this time. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 19:33, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Delete HBO's pilot process is a lot different from the industry and has left alot of projects many other networks would pick up not so on HBO. No prejudice to re-creation if this gets a series order, but for now, just something in a "when we get to it" kind of development. Nate • ( chatter) 20:37, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Lots of television projects enter the development pipeline, but for one reason or another fail to ever come out the other end. The time for an article about it, accordingly, is not "the moment the project is announced as being in development", but "when the show is officially upfronted by the network" — meaning when we know for sure that it's definitely happening and not just planned. Until then, it's WP:TOOSOON for us to maintain a standalone article about it. Delete, without prejudice against recreation once HBO officially announces a firm premiere date. Update: also willing to accept Tokyogirl's suggested redirect to the first novel in the trilogy. Bearcat ( talk) 23:01, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to
Oryx and Crake. If this trilogy had a series page I'd suggest merging and redirecting there, but lacking this I'd suggest that this be merged into the page for the first book. This has only been recently announced and even if it gets a pilot made there's still no guarantee that it'd be picked up. I'd wager that only 10% of prospective series get made into series and even then, that estimate is probably a little too high and that's still no guarantee that the series would be popular enough to warrant a page. But like I said, merge and redirect is probably the best outcome in this instance.
Tokyogirl79
(｡◕‿◕｡) 04:44, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not even sure it's worth noting on the book's page that a series is in development for the reasons you mentioned- it may end up being fruitless. The information fails WP:CRYSTAL. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 18:29, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- No, the fact that development of the series based on the book has begun is not crystalballing, but sourced and relevant information. Whether it merits an article is another question. Sandstein 19:26, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- Development news is not encyclopedic, since nothing has yet been produced. It is news that something might happen, which is definitely in CRYSTAL territory. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 19:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- CRYSTAL would cover unsourced predictions about when the show might premiere, who might be cast in it, how many episodes it might have, how faithful it might or mightn't be to the original books, and on and so forth. If the source says "project is in development" and our article says the same without going beyond what can be sourced, then that certainly falls under WP:TOOSOON but isn't a CRYSTAL issue. Bearcat ( talk) 02:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 12:38, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 12:38, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- Merge to Oryx and Crake as suggested above until it gets more coverage. Sandstein 19:23, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 18:40, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 18:40, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Merge selectively to Oryx and Crake per above. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:28, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.