The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Stifle ( talk) 09:41, 16 September 2020 (UTC) reply

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The coverage of this article does not appear to sufficiently justify it passing Wikipedia:General notability guidelines and is built on unreliable sources. Citations mainly refer to tabloid websites e.g. “Markacadeey online” , “ Laasqoray.net” and “Garowe Online”. A google book search also fails to establish notability, although there are passing mentions of “Maakhir state” in some publications. Jacob300 ( talk) 10:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Jacob300 ( talk) 10:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Jacob300 ( talk) 10:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. Jacob300 ( talk) 10:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC) reply

• Note to closer for soft deletion: While this discussion appears to have no quorum, it is NOT eligible for soft deletion because it has been previously PROD'd (via summary). -- Cewbot ( talk) 00:02, 20 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Related discussions: 2018-11 Boharo merge, 2007-08 Jibrell Ali Salad Aadan ✓ Keep

Logs: 2007-08 ✗ deleted

• The edits and the nomination for the deletion of this articles are by the new user are somewhat vandalism and has been reported. There is an overwhelming reference present online about Maakhir State of Somalia. This is a historical and an ongoing political events of this Somalia region, Currently in process again to update the references of the article. Vote to ✓ Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by SultanSanaag ( talk • contribs) 09:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC) reply

@ SultanSanaag: Can you present links here on this page to the three best sources (1, 2, 3) about the subject 'Maakhir'? The sources should discuss the subject in some depth and be reliable sources that are independent of the subject. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 10:40, 20 August 2020 (UTC) reply

• Delete - Per nom. This fails WP:GNG with little to no "significant coverage" that addresses the topic directly and in detail, e.g. Google Scholar [1]. Additionally, coat of arms and map appear to be original research user-generated files and not based on any reliable source [2], [3]. -- Kzl55 ( talk) 12:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC) reply

• Vote to ✓ Keep @ Malcolmxl5: Here are a number of sources of Maakhir State; President interview with VOA Somali (article) [4], VOA Somali Interview (somali audio) [5], Colonel Jibril Ali Salad, the President of Maakhir State [6], Puntland State of Somalia. A Tentative Social Analysis by Roland Marchal (see p12 point-16, p14 point-6, p18, p28) [7] Maakhir UK Conference broadcasted on Somali nationional TV (Somali Channel) [8], A quick google search on Maakhir State gets 54K hits see this link [9] Another google search on Maakhir former British Somaliland gets 35K hits with online reference/sources [10]. There are 21 reference already linked with the existing Maakhir article, although some links might be dead but those are credible sources as well. SultanSanaag ( talk) 13:10, 21 August 2020 (UTC) reply

I said three, SultanSanaag. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 18:19, 21 August 2020 (UTC) reply

• Upon a cursory look at links cited: First link leads to a Somali forum post [11]. Second link leads to a non-VOA Soundcloud page [12]. Third link leads to a self-published Wordpress Somali blog [13]... etc etc. Hardly "significant detailed coverage in reliable sources".

To closing admin: Please note the possibility of WP:AFDSOCK. -- Kzl55 ( talk) 21:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC) reply

• @ Malcolmxl5: here are just three sources with regards to Maakhir, source 1 [14], source 2 [15], source 3 [16]. On a separate note, I've listed a few more sources previously to argue the claims of some editors and the malicious manner that is intentionally disruptive and in the worst case vandalism. SultanSanaag ( talk) 15:06, 22 August 2020 (UTC) reply

• The reason I asked for the three best sources that discuss the subject in some depth and be reliable sources that are independent of the subject is that these are usually all that are needed to demonstrate the notability of the topic. I’ll have a look. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 22:07, 24 August 2020 (UTC) reply

• Keep. I have cited four more academic sources in the article. None of them has an enormous amount of coverage, but enough to show a pass of WP:GEOLAND. Phil Bridger ( talk) 11:25, 31 August 2020 (UTC) reply
• Keep passes WP:GEOLAND Thanks for adding sources Phil Bridger. Wm335td ( talk) 19:17, 4 September 2020 (UTC) reply

• Delete No significant coverage and poor unreliable citations. Additionally, the only source listed in the start of History section is via the Wayback Machine to a unverifiable source. The rest of the History section seems to be about recent events in the area. Kangdomkome ( talk) 22:02, 11 September 2020 (UTC) reply

• What is poor or unreliable about the four academic sources that I cited in the article? Phil Bridger ( talk) 07:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.