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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 12:06, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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WP:BEFORE done. While it would appear there was verifiably a Canadian artist of this (also Muriel Agnes Yewdale, Mer Yewdale) name and dates of birth and death - Library and Archives Canada says so here, it would also appear that she does not meet WP:ARTIST, WP:ANYBIO, and any number of policies and guidelines you may cite when you please - as always - do prove me wrong about this. Pete AU aka Shirt58 ( talk) 10:08, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment. When editors are evaluating this biography they should be sure to check the page history. Large sections were recently excised, including potentially valuable references. pburka ( talk) 13:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. I expanded the article so I think it makes a decent stub now. This is one of those artists who is mainly discovered after their death. Judging by some of the prominent British Columbia artists who recommended her art, I expect her works will become better known with time. Incidentally, although she signed her paintings 'M. A. Yewdale', I think the name of the article should be changed to Muriel Agnes Yewdale. Curiocurio ( talk) 14:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - The Government of Canada lists her under 5 different names: M.A. Yewdale, Muriel Agnes Yewdale, Mer Yewdale, Muriel Yewdale; M. Yewdale.; so in WP:BEFORE searches it would make sense to search under all of those names. Thus far, I've found an exhibiton catalog devoted to her work, published by the Burnaby Art Gallery. [1] and added to the article, along with the citation for the Govt. of Canada. Netherzone ( talk) 14:50, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I've tried "Muriel Agnes Fraser Yewdale" and "MA Yewdale" in Google, GScholar, Jstor and ULAN, nothing comes up. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:15, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- 'Fraser' is her maiden name and can be omitted in searches. I'm going to retrieve the exhibition catalog this afternoon and see if there is any useful information there. Curiocurio ( talk) 16:18, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment She's listed at
Mutual Art, but the birth date is 1931. I am pretty sure it is the same artist. hmmmm.
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talk)
16:43, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- I think we should go by the Government of Canada citation, also the article in The Vancouver Sun said she died at 91 years, so the earlier date makes sense. Netherzone ( talk) 16:55, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- I agree 1908 as correct birth date, it's just a shame we can't link out to it for images of her work. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 16:58, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I can't find a reference for date of death exactly 6 January 2000. I am changing it to 2000 as stated on Artists in Canada. I also updated Wikidata WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 16:50, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 02:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per article expansion and adequate sourcing. Randy Kryn ( talk) 12:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - per WP:GNG has enough sourcing now, and per WP:HEY due to the excellent improvements by Curiocurio and WomenArtistUpdates and others. It's now a nice little biographic article on an under-recognized artist who shunned the marketplace during her lifetime who made a significant contribution to the arts of the Pacific Northwest with her body of work. Netherzone ( talk) 13:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep thanks to all who worked on it. I hope it is kept up-to-date as her work is exhibited and discussed in the future. Lamona ( talk) 05:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per HEY. Also, I don't know how a BEFORE doesn't find the 2006 Vancouver Sun articles, User:Shirt58, right at the top of the first Proquest search I found - and #2 at newspapers.com. Nfitz ( talk) 00:39, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ✗ plicit 12:06, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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WP:BEFORE done. While it would appear there was verifiably a Canadian artist of this (also Muriel Agnes Yewdale, Mer Yewdale) name and dates of birth and death - Library and Archives Canada says so here, it would also appear that she does not meet WP:ARTIST, WP:ANYBIO, and any number of policies and guidelines you may cite when you please - as always - do prove me wrong about this. Pete AU aka Shirt58 ( talk) 10:08, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:37, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment. When editors are evaluating this biography they should be sure to check the page history. Large sections were recently excised, including potentially valuable references. pburka ( talk) 13:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. I expanded the article so I think it makes a decent stub now. This is one of those artists who is mainly discovered after their death. Judging by some of the prominent British Columbia artists who recommended her art, I expect her works will become better known with time. Incidentally, although she signed her paintings 'M. A. Yewdale', I think the name of the article should be changed to Muriel Agnes Yewdale. Curiocurio ( talk) 14:29, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - The Government of Canada lists her under 5 different names: M.A. Yewdale, Muriel Agnes Yewdale, Mer Yewdale, Muriel Yewdale; M. Yewdale.; so in WP:BEFORE searches it would make sense to search under all of those names. Thus far, I've found an exhibiton catalog devoted to her work, published by the Burnaby Art Gallery. [1] and added to the article, along with the citation for the Govt. of Canada. Netherzone ( talk) 14:50, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I've tried "Muriel Agnes Fraser Yewdale" and "MA Yewdale" in Google, GScholar, Jstor and ULAN, nothing comes up. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:15, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- 'Fraser' is her maiden name and can be omitted in searches. I'm going to retrieve the exhibition catalog this afternoon and see if there is any useful information there. Curiocurio ( talk) 16:18, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment She's listed at
Mutual Art, but the birth date is 1931. I am pretty sure it is the same artist. hmmmm.
WomenArtistUpdates (
talk)
16:43, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- I think we should go by the Government of Canada citation, also the article in The Vancouver Sun said she died at 91 years, so the earlier date makes sense. Netherzone ( talk) 16:55, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- I agree 1908 as correct birth date, it's just a shame we can't link out to it for images of her work. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 16:58, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I can't find a reference for date of death exactly 6 January 2000. I am changing it to 2000 as stated on Artists in Canada. I also updated Wikidata WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 16:50, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:HEY. WomenArtistUpdates ( talk) 02:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per article expansion and adequate sourcing. Randy Kryn ( talk) 12:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - per WP:GNG has enough sourcing now, and per WP:HEY due to the excellent improvements by Curiocurio and WomenArtistUpdates and others. It's now a nice little biographic article on an under-recognized artist who shunned the marketplace during her lifetime who made a significant contribution to the arts of the Pacific Northwest with her body of work. Netherzone ( talk) 13:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep thanks to all who worked on it. I hope it is kept up-to-date as her work is exhibited and discussed in the future. Lamona ( talk) 05:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per HEY. Also, I don't know how a BEFORE doesn't find the 2006 Vancouver Sun articles, User:Shirt58, right at the top of the first Proquest search I found - and #2 at newspapers.com. Nfitz ( talk) 00:39, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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